- From: Harry Loots <harry.loots@ieee.org>
- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:31:49 +0100
- To: james.homme@highmark.com
- CC: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Hi Jim
you sent this to me only - bet it was meant for the group ;)
in fact, IE 4 had limited support; better in IE 5 (launched in 99); and if one
used XHTML 1.0/HTML 4.01 Strict, really good, if not perfect support in IE 5.5
(Launched July 2000).
I am trying to rack my brains when i made the complete switchover, avoiding
layout tables completely??? it may have been round 2000; and i definitely have
a site built sans tables dated 2001...
Kind regards
Harry
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---------- Original Message -----------
From: james.homme@highmark.com
To: "Harry Loots" <harry.loots@ieee.org>
Sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:07:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Layout Tables vs. Style Sheets
> Hi,
> According to my memory, it was Internet Explorer 6 that made it
> practical
for developers to use style sheets instead of table
> layout, but the
standard for doing so in Cascading Style Sheets had
> been available in 1999.
I am trying to find material that verifies
> my memory though, so don't put
me on the board.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> James D Homme, Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
> james.homme@highmark.com, 412-544-1810
>
> "The difference between those who get what they wish for and those
> who
don't is action. Therefore, every action you take is a complete
> success,regardless of the results." -- Jerrold Mundis
Highmark
> internal only: For usability and accessibility:
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>
> "Harry Loots"
>
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> Subject
10/07/2008 09:50 Re: Layout Tables
> vs. Style Sheets
AM
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> WCAG 1.0 became an official recommendation in May 1999, containing
> the
following guideline:
>
> Guideline 5. Create tables that transform gracefully.
> Next guideline: 6 Previous guideline: 4 Go to contents
> Ensure that tables have necessary markup to be transformed by
> accessible
browsers and other user agents.
>
> Tables should be used to mark up truly tabular information ("data
> tables").
Content developers should avoid using them to lay out
> pages ("layout
tables").
Tables for any use also present special
> problems to users of screen readers
> (refer to checkpoint 10.3).
>
> etc...
>
> Kind regards
> Harry
>
> Mob: +44 7826 926 994
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> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: David Dorward <david@dorward.me.uk>
> To: "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:37:33 +0100
> Subject: Re: Layout Tables vs. Style Sheets
>
> > Patti Burke-Lund wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone could share their insight with regard to
> > > layout tables and accessibility, as well as when the switch occurred
> > > from layout tables to CSS (i.e., how many years this has been a
> > > recommended practice). Any thoughts are greatly appreciated, as they
> > > will be added to our class discussion board with proper credit given
> > > as “guest speakers.â€
> > >
> > The classic document on the subject for managers appears to have cropped
> > up in late 2003 ...
> >
> > http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/
> >
> > I'd assume that would be a few years after web developers at the
> > standards end of the curve started to pick up on them, which corresponds
> > to when I vaguely remember making the switch (although I was a hobbiest
> > at the time).
> >
> > So I'd say its been recommended and practical since around the turn
> > of the century.
> >
> > --
> > David Dorward
> > http://dorward.me.uk/
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