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Re: <Form><input type="file" value !="browse" />?

From: Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:24:49 +0000
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
To: "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi>
Message-Id: <53A86AAA-5453-11D7-BC45-0003939B5AD0@btinternet.com>


It is the nature of our user group, people with severe learning 
difficulties that they need individual or personal solutions.

Browse is not an easy word to read in English, find and look are 
arguably easier.
further, browse has a laid back, relaxed meaning(similar to meander) 
whereas find look and search are probably perceived as more proactive.

of greater concern is the reality that many of our users cannot read, 
and would benefit from an associated image.
it might seem that this is perverse, but XP and some other OS allow one 
to see thumbnails.


On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 10:55 PM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
>> Could someone advise me is it possible to change the default value for
>> a button of input type="file" in a <form>
> If the implementation of file input involves a button, then the text in
> the button is up to the user agent.
>> the default seems to be " browse" and that is not appropriate.
> The text in the button tends to vary according to the language of the 
> user
> agent, i.e. the language used in its user interface like menus, help
> texts, and error messages.
>> it may be my code but i have tried value="find" without success
> Why do you think "find" would be an improvement?
> When I use, say, Opera (Finnish version), a file input element appears 
> as
> as a box for a filename together with a button with the text "Valitse" 
> on
> it. It may look odd on a page in English, for example, but that's what 
> I'm
> accustomed to as a user of that browser. If you managed to change it to
> "find", it would look like a submit button to me.
> The important thing is the recognizability of a browse button as a 
> browse
> button. When you first encounter one, you are probably puzzled. Later, 
> you
> will remember what you learned, and expect a button with some specific
> text act as a way of browsing your computer's file system.
> File input elements - or, rather, their poor implementation in 
> browsers -
> involves serious accessibility problems. Some of them are discussed at 
> my
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/forms/file.html#acc
> -- 
> Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Received on Wednesday, 12 March 2003 01:22:36 UTC

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