- From: Gerard Torenvliet <g_torenvliet@sympatico.ca>
- Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:34:14 -0500
- To: "'Jim Ley'" <jim@jibbering.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Jim: When I made the switch from IE to a Mozilla-based browser, I was initially disappointed when this browser did not offer Alt attribute text on mouse-over. It made my job as a designer more difficult, because I now actually had to look at my code in parallel while auditing a page to check the Alt text. This is a pain. However, on reflection I've found it to be a good pain because it makes me more conscientious. Instead of using Alt text first as an interface aid that is presented on mouse-over, and second as a screen-reader aid, it forces me to be more discriminating. Alt text should present text equivalents (equivalents only, nothing more than a sighted reader would get through looking at a graphic), and Title text can present additional interface aids. In this way, things that benefit screen-readers only (i.e., "Iconic representation of a report", or "Graphic of a man fishing from a dock") don't clutter up the view for those who don't use screen-readers, and interface aids are available to all. The real problem here is Internet Explorer. By insisting to be backwards-compatible with legacy (but non-standard) uses of the Alt attribute and so displaying Alt text as a tooltip if Title text doesn't exist, this browser fails to educate designers by example of the different between Alt text and Title text. Rather, it should follow the lead of Mozilla: support the HTML spec, even when it can necessitate design changes. Mozilla's way of recognizing backwards compatibility issues has been by offering plug-ins that turn on the Alt as tooltip behaviour. This educates and encourages people to code things to be specification compliant, precisely because it is cumbersome! Best regards, -Gerard -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Jim Ley Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:54 PM To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: Re: ALT as required attribute "Bill Mason" <w3c@accessibleinter.net> wrote in message news:5.2.0.9.0.20030203104507.00cbb610@accessibleinter.net... > > At 10:32 AM 2/3/2003, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: > >also the browsers you mention display a tooltip when the user mouses over > >the image > > I don't know offhand about Opera or Amaya, but Netscape 7 in fact does not > give a mouseover tooltip from the ALT attribute text. Which is a real shame, it makes many sites much less accessible than they otherwise would be, I have to really dig to get the information, fortunately IE does not yet suffer from the same limitation so I still have a choice, even though I have to put up with other inconveniences. > It correctly does that with the contents of the TITLE attribute. When the title is unavailable though, this useful interface to the metadata is just ignored, rather than used to provide other metadata. Jim.
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