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RE: Invisible Skip navigation link

From: Steve Vosloo <stevenvosloo@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:31:50 +0200
To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <000601c23d66$c71b7860$130310ac@theijunction.icelogic.co.za>

Agreed. It would be great if all speech synthesizers did what HPR does
and then we'd never have to add punctuation. 

Current conversation aside, HPR is a very cool tool!

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of David Poehlman
Sent: 06 August 2002 05:59 PM
To: Al Gilman; Phill Jenkins; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Invisible Skip navigation link

this is a battle of intelegences and I guess hpr should employ repair
only when repair is needed so as not to fall into redundancies such as

----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Gilman" <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
To: "Phill Jenkins" <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Invisible Skip navigation link

At 11:16 AM 2002-08-06, Phill Jenkins wrote:

>This is a know problem with speech synthesizers.  When to treat the 
>period as punctuation and when to treat it as a dot, as in dot com.  Do

>it the proper way by following conventional grammar practices and let 
>the synthesizers get their problems fixed.

I don't quite agree.  Using punctuation as styling cannot be done in so
context-free a manner as HPR is currently doing.  If punctuation enough
to force a pause is present adjacent to the end of the link, HPR should
not be injecting fresh punctuation to achieve a pause because the result
is not what HPR intended.  A broader context has to be read before
deciding what to write in this situation.


>One way to avoid the dot vs period problem is to never end the sentence

>with link text.  If you put the link in the middle of the sentence, 
>then the sentence ends with regular text followed by a period that will

>get treated as a period and not a hanging dot.
>By the way, DOH get's read as Date of Hire.  What did you mean by DOH?
>IBM Research Division - Accessibility Center
>"Steve Vosloo" <stevenvosloo@yahoo.com>@w3.org on 08/06/2002 05:06:08 
>Sent by:    w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org
>To:    <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
>Subject:    RE: Invisible Skip navigation link
>Just tried this in IBM Homepage Reader (HPR) and had a problem with the

>ALT on the image. By default HPR adds a full stop to an ALT 
>description, so ALT="Hello world" gets read as "Hello world." (with a 
>pause after 'world'). But if you add a non-breaking space then you get 
>"Hello world ." which sounds like "Hello world DOT" (because of the 
>Of course if you use the old ALT="Hello world." you get "Hello 
>world..", which also sounds like "Hello world DOT".
Received on Tuesday, 6 August 2002 12:29:25 UTC

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