- From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@home.com>
- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:40:29 -0500
- To: "Jim Thatcher" <jim@jimthatcher.com>, <david.bacon@jkd.co.uk>, "'Jason Megginson'" <jason@bartsite.com>, "'Scott Luebking'" <phoenixl@sonic.net>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
still, there should be mention of it on the main site and if the search functions are not paralell they should be made so. I do think users of the site should drop them a note and as I now remember it, when I encountered it, it was said that it was meant for small devices. So the question still remains, is their main site useable/accessible and how should this be addressed. Whenever we have this text discussion, I learn something new. They could still achieve their end result by serving the same info to the small devices parsed differently. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Thatcher" <jim@jimthatcher.com> To: <david.bacon@jkd.co.uk>; "'Jason Megginson'" <jason@bartsite.com>; "'Scott Luebking'" <phoenixl@sonic.net>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: RE: Fwd from CHI-WEB: Amazon's version for the Visually Impaired RE: Fwd from CHI-WEB: Amazon's version for the Visually ImpairedThough someone claims that this web site was was created for people with disabilities, I don't believe it. They have done none of the simplest things, like labeling input elements or alt text on the one or two images that appear on every page. I believe this is an experiment for a site for small devices. If it were done for people using screen readers, don't you think at least the alt text would have been added? Having said all that, I really like it! There is a feedback link near the top. Twice I have sent feedback and both times a real person responded with thanks. Jim jim@jimthatcher.com Accessibility Consulting http://jimthatcher.com 512-306-0931 -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of david.bacon Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:16 AM To: 'Jason Megginson'; 'Scott Luebking'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: RE: Fwd from CHI-WEB: Amazon's version for the Visually Impaired I thought the label tag ruined layouts in NS6. I've done a test page with no style sheets and just a simple form in a table. When the layout tag was placed around text it jumped out of the cell and covered the form element in the adjacent cell. This bug has been documented and is probably the reason the label tag is not as widely used as it should be. After all, a major flaw in layout takes precedence over accessibilty. David Bacon. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Megginson [mailto:jason@bartsite.com] Sent: 14 December 2001 14:09 To: 'Scott Luebking'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: RE: Fwd from CHI-WEB: Amazon's version for the Visually Impaired I found the site to be lacking attributes and tags necessary to be truly "accessible". <Label for=""> and id attributes, for "explicit labeling" for instance, are missing. I agree with David that if they would do it right the first time, an alternate site would not be needed. Jason Megginson Access Technology Specialist Bartimaeus Group jason@bartsite.com www.bartsite.com -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Scott Luebking Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:56 PM To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: Fwd from CHI-WEB: Amazon's version for the Visually Impaired Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:57:12 +0100 From: jernu@VISUALFRIENDLY.COM Subject: Amazon's version for the Visually Impaired Hello all, Do you know that amazon.com has developped a specific version of the site for the Visually Impaired ? See http://www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/15199.html for an article and http://www.amazon.com/access to reach the site. When we saw it we (the usability team) say : - oupsss !!! (we provide an ASP software which is able to transform web sites in an accessible and personalized way for all the visually impaired (including blind and all people who need some visual comfort)) - great !!! they did a good job and all the pages are designed in the good way : no more graphic (but a text only version yet exist), no more marketing blabla, search engine in the top and so on... We ask on a french list for the blind what they think about this site, the way it is designed and is utility... For the moment, we are very surprised by the answers ! Blind people do not find it so efficient : they have the feeling of a "poor site" and they absolutely dislike that there are two versions of the same site : one for "normal" people and one for "visually impaired" ! They think designers have to put all their efforts in designing one and only one site, and not to make "ghettos" for the blind. What do you think about that ? It seems that the text only version is preferred because much more informations are presents ! Someone has tested this version ? Is it the better way to improve accessibility (visual accessibility) ? And what about the URL ? Is it the good name ? Of course, i will try to make a summary to the list of all the answers i will get ! Thank you PS : I am french, please excuse my english ! :) Jerome. _____________________________________________________________________ VirusChecked by the Incepta Group plc _____________________________________________________________________
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