- From: Aaron Smith <aaron@gwmicro.com>
- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:33:31 -0500
- To: Jim Thatcher <jim@jimthatcher.com>, david.bacon@jkd.co.uk, "'Jason Megginson'" <jason@bartsite.com>, "'Scott Luebking'" <phoenixl@sonic.net>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
- Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214113223.02cea718@mail.gwmicro.com>
Jim, I have to agree. Check out the pocketpc text in the URL: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/dt/upda-1.0-pocketpc/subst/aa/upda/home.html/102-6869766-2436938 I believe that this site was originally created for PDA's. Accessibility, in my opinion, was an afterthought. At 10:16 AM 12/14/2001 -0600, Jim Thatcher wrote: >Though someone claims that this web site was was created for people with >disabilities, I don't believe it. They have done none of the simplest >things, like labeling input elements or alt text on the one or two images >that appear on every page. I believe this is an experiment for a site for >small devices. If it were done for people using screen readers, don't you >think at least the alt text would have been added? > >Having said all that, I really like it! There is a feedback link near the >top. Twice I have sent feedback and both times a real person responded >with thanks. > >Jim >jim@jimthatcher.com >Accessibility Consulting ><http://jimthatcher.com/>http://jimthatcher.com >512-306-0931 >-----Original Message----- >From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On >Behalf Of david.bacon >Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:16 AM >To: 'Jason Megginson'; 'Scott Luebking'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org >Subject: RE: Fwd from CHI-WEB: Amazon's version for the Visually Impaired > >I thought the label tag ruined layouts in NS6. I've done a test page with >no style sheets and just a simple form in a table. When the layout tag >was placed around text it jumped out of the cell and covered the form >element in the adjacent cell. This bug has been documented and is >probably the reason the label tag is not as widely used as it should >be. After all, a major flaw in layout takes precedence over accessibilty. >David Bacon. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Megginson [<mailto:jason@bartsite.com>mailto:jason@bartsite.com] >Sent: 14 December 2001 14:09 >To: 'Scott Luebking'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org >Subject: RE: Fwd from CHI-WEB: Amazon's version for the Visually >Impaired > >I found the site to be lacking attributes and tags necessary to be truly >"accessible". <Label for=""> and id attributes, for "explicit labeling" >for instance, are missing. I agree with David that if they would do it >right the first time, an alternate site would not be needed. >Jason Megginson >Access Technology Specialist >Bartimaeus Group >jason@bartsite.com >www.bartsite.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org >[<mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org>mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On >Behalf Of Scott Luebking >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:56 PM >To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org >Subject: Fwd from CHI-WEB: Amazon's version for the Visually Impaired > >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:57:12 +0100 >From: jernu@VISUALFRIENDLY.COM >Subject: Amazon's version for the Visually Impaired > >Hello all, > >Do you know that amazon.com has developped a specific version of the >site for the Visually Impaired ? > >See ><http://www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/15199.html>http://www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/15199.html >for an article >and <http://www.amazon.com/access>http://www.amazon.com/access to reach >the site. > >When we saw it we (the usability team) say : > >- oupsss !!! (we provide an ASP software which is able to transform web >sites in an accessible and personalized way for all the visually >impaired (including blind and all people who need some visual comfort)) > >- great !!! they did a good job and all the pages are designed in the >good way : no more graphic (but a text only version yet exist), no more >marketing blabla, search engine in the top and so on... > >We ask on a french list for the blind what they think about this site, >the way it is designed and is utility... For the moment, we are very >surprised by the answers ! Blind people do not find it so efficient : >they have the feeling of a "poor site" and they absolutely dislike that >there are two versions of the same site : one for "normal" people and >one for "visually impaired" ! They think designers have to put all their >efforts in designing one and only one site, and not to make "ghettos" >for the blind. > >What do you think about that ? It seems that the text only version is >preferred because much more informations are presents ! >Someone has tested this version ? >Is it the better way to improve accessibility (visual accessibility) ? >And what about the URL ? Is it the good name ? > >Of course, i will try to make a summary to the list of all the answers i >will get ! > > > >Thank you > > > >PS : I am french, please excuse my english ! :) > >Jerome. > >_____________________________________________________________________ >VirusChecked by the Incepta Group plc >_____________________________________________________________________ -- Aaron Smith GW Micro Phone: 219/489-3671 Fax: 219/489-2608 WWW: http://www.gwmicro.com FTP: ftp://ftp.gwmicro.com Technical Support & Web Development
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