- From: Harry Woodrow <harrry@email.com>
- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:27:54 +0800
- To: "Kynn Bartlett" <kynn-edapta@idyllmtn.com>
- Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Hi Kyn You said I offer these sites because I assume your point is to discredit me (nice try) rather than have meaningful discussion, for which I applaud you for your brazen lack of decency. Keep it up. I say No Kynn, this was not done to discredit you but to indicate that much as your methods may be good ones they do not allways work. I normally would not have posted a members site like this however it has appeared in every signature together with your current position. (By the way I am sorry you are looking for another job and I hope you get a satisfying one soon). Your personal site is very interesting, relevent and informative. My position with this 'debate' is that I too have been rather uncomfortable with it. At no time have I tried to blame any developer, they are doing their job as the company requires, but rather that the responsibility is with the company. A letter or email to the webmaster is a letter to the company however and the response to that must be judged in that context, a reply from the company. I think we have common goals but may differ in our viewpoint. You seem to feel that the site belongs to the company and while they can improve it is their decission whether to do so or not. My view is that once a site is published it is public. All public have a RIGHT of access to that site. Just as an employer cant discriminate in a workplace by providing for example no toilets for female staff, a company cannot discriminate by not providing adequate access to a site. I know discrimination is not a lable people feel comfortable with but I like to call a spade a spade. I think where we differ is that I believe it is the right of people with disabilities to complain. It is the Responsibility of the companies to respond. THere are many ways of complaining. You have indicated the one you prefer, I have indicated that the effect of that in the case fo the company that has been posting regularly at this site has not aparently worked. We are all after the same thing and your own website is impressive, to me it would have have made a better signature. Regards Harry -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Kynn Bartlett Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:37 AM To: Harry Woodrow; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Cc: cws@reef.com Subject: Re: How to complain? At 9:27 AM +0800 2001/11/01, Harry Woodrow wrote: >Sorry I cant afford to waste stamps but maybe you would like to write to the >developer of this site for me Kynn. Just ask him if there was a reason that >ALT descriptors arent used please. > >http://www.reef.com Basically, because despite Reef's lip service to 508 compliance and accessibility, the company has refused since January to listen when their in-house accessibility expert makes recommendations, despite the fact that the company's credibility as an accessibility solution suffers great for it. Is it incompetency? Laziness? Lack of education? Likely all of the above, quite honestly. By the way, said accessibility expert was recently terminated and his last day is November 12. So if you know of any companies who actually are interested in both trying to cash in on 508 _and_ actually set a good example, drop me a note, and I will get you on touch with said accessibility expert. (Although, all things considered, he doesn't come cheap.) If you're looking for sites that I'm responsible for, you could try Idyll Mountain Internet's web site (www.idyllmtn.com), my own personal site (www.kynn.com), the HWG site -- which I'm no longer responsible for but for which I did the primary design -- or any of the sites designed by my wife's Idyll Mountain Internet. As a hint, the most glaring accessibility error is the same as on the WAI homepage -- they lack useful illustration. I offer these sites because I assume your point is to discredit me (nice try) rather than have meaningful discussion, for which I applaud you for your brazen lack of decency. Keep it up. --Kynn -- Kynn Bartlett <kynn@reef.com> Technical Developer Liaison Reef North America Accessibility - W3C - Integrator Network ___________________________________________ BUSINESS IS DYNAMIC. TOADS RULE IN EXILE. ___________________________________________ http://www.reef.com
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