- From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@home.com>
- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:07:00 -0500
- To: "Harry Woodrow" <harrry@email.com>, <Paul@ten-20.com>, "W3c-Wai-Ig@W3. Org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
The explanation below is fabulous in vy view. I would strongly suggest that the only reason for a separate page technically has to do with bandwidth issues and not disabilities and fonts are not that reason. There are other considerations though for using separate pages and those are more political than anything meaning that someone has this design they want to project or are locked into and the only way to achieve any level of parity with reduction of functional limitations is to provide a separate entry point. Now, if you are talking about flash and non flash... even then there is opportunity to stay on the same page but again, there is the band width issue. The other thing besides fonts that may cause someone to wonder if a separate page is required is java script and that too can be handled gracefully or eliminated with few if any ill effects. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Woodrow" <harrry@email.com> To: <Paul@ten-20.com>; "W3c-Wai-Ig@W3. Org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: RE: Stipulating fonts or not to stipulate. As an artist I am sure you comply to the conventions of the medium you are working with. An artist would not use the same techniques on a water color painting as they would with oils unless he had a specific reason to do so. The Web has its own set of techniques and conventions. It was designed as a medium of communication which could be read in many forms to present information in a hyper linked environment. A web page is not...or at least should not be a representation of a printed page pasted on the web. Fonts are fine. There is definitely a place for the use of fonts in web pages but that place is in a separate Style Sheet. Web pages should separate content and presentation. Many people may wish to change the font or size. They are not too lazy to view a web site without additional software they are just doing what they should do if web Designers were not too lazy to learn and use correct techniques instead of using the techniques of other media. For some details on how fonts can affect readability see http://www.lighthouse.org/. Harry Woodrow -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Paul Davis Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:53 PM To: W3c-Wai-Ig@W3. Org Subject: Stipulating fonts or not to stipulate. Hi All, Confession time. I may be going over old ground here but please exercise some patience for a pooh bear. I have accepted that many people do not like separate pages for text readers.........................fine. I am aware of the arguments and can see the logic in them, whilst I feel that this does restrict the artist in me, it is prepared to be restricted. (Commercial hat on here) But I do have a problem with fonts, there was, a little while back a thread on fonts and I have spent the week-end re-reading the emails. However the more I look at pages where no font is stipulated the less I like 'em. Frankly I think they look awful. In fact I would go further and say I hate 'em. Is there an accessibility reason that <FONT face="geneva, arial, helvetica, sans serif"> should not be used? or to put it another way is there any software, text reader or browser that has a problem with this? I can see no reason why they should have a problem, but then I am a self taught hack, not a highly trained expert. The main justification I can think off for not stipulating fonts is the partially sighted who hate using software to assist in reading pages, is there another or more important reason please? If I make the decision to force these people to either use their software or leave the site would this then be construed as rendering the site inaccessible? Is this then not an argument for a separate page to help out if, when and where difficulties arise? As this is close to a subject that was done too death a few weeks back it may be better to reply off list!!!! smiles Paul Davis
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