- From: Jon Hanna <jon@spinsol.com>
- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:49:01 -0000
- To: "WAI Interest Group" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Obviously... disclaimer: I wrote a thing > called Betsie which provides an on-the-fly text-only view of the > BBC website > and others. On-the-fly text-only views are not what I'm talking about, indeed that would be one good alternative to the text-only version (as opposed to text-only output) option. That is a separate version of the site exists to the "main" one. This is not clear in my article, and that will be changed. I'm not a great writer, especially when rushed, as the many repetition in my mails to this list show and it is here that the fault lies. A text-only view need not be a > 'ghetto' and indeed will not be, A text-only site is a ghetto if you are not best served by a text-only version, but can only read that version as it was the only concession made to accessibility issues. It's also a ghetto if it's produced separately and not in the same update cycle. > "Text-only makes false assumptions about users" The decision to produce a text-only version of a site as a separate site broadly divides the abilities of all users into two groups, I think this is a false assumption. > "Text only encourages bad practice" > > Your body text here assumes that the text only view of a site is > being maintained as a separate set of documents. Yup. That's bad > practice. Again my intent wasn't clear as I said, and the fault lies with my skills as a writer. > "Text only links can be lost" > > So what? A site can be poorly designed in a number of ways. This > has nothing > intrinsic to do with text only. Yes, but the one saving grace of text-only versions of the type I am referring to is that at least there is some accessibility provided. If you can't find your way to that version then all that is lost. Remember I'm arguing text-only versions are harmful, not fatal. > "Text only sites do not guarantee accessibility" > > Sure. And no-one is saying that they do. I'm afraid that some people do. I've been in site-design meetings where that was said, and it was seen as the cure-all magic bullet for accessibility issues. > cases. You say "it is perfectly possible to make a site which > contains no graphical elements, and yet is still inaccessible to > some users," which is true, but which does not constitute an > argument against text-only. > "A "text-only" link increases the number of links to be followed > by one for > every resource." > > Again, this is not an argument, because it is not necessarily the > case. A site where a users preference for the text only view is > retained in a cookie (as the next version of Betsie will... :) > will not suffer from this. If the text-only option is generated from a link then it will be true at least once. Some sites which offer a text-only begin with a page which contains no real information apart from the choice between text-only or graphics (A choice of Flash and HTML is a similar and common option). > "The extra effort involved in producing the text version of the > site was wasted..." > [snip]this is not an argument against text only, just an argument > against badly done text only. This was certainly the case in the type of site I mention in that section. While this argument doesn't in one fell swoop show text-only versions to be harmful, it does add to the chances that the decision to produce a text-only version may have been a bad on in any given case. > "Text Only Is A Poor Use of Technology" > > This is a highly arguable statement, which seems to ignore the > possibility that the text only view is being created on the fly > from the original document set. Along, perhaps, with other > 'different' views appropriate for various contexts. Now here's a confession: I'm currently working on a content-delivery product. This product works from XML data and will produce different outputs depending on various circumstances, including one that is text-only. I'm in the same boat as you here. If the same document is degrading to text-only as appropriate on-the-fly I don't consider it a text-only document, or a text-only version of the site; I consider that the text-only output of the site. This will be made clearer. You say that "any good graphical design should work well > as text," but this itself makes the assumption that the design is > somehow intrinsically *graphical*. If a design makes use of graphics, I call it "graphical". 99% of the article itself is text ;) As you say web pages are code, so "graphical" only makes sense in this context there is no such thing as an intrinsically graphical design. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 Int. for non-commercial use <http://www.pgpinternational.com> iQA/AwUBOo1oDNlYbmO7kSNQEQIZ2wCgqfNF25/eTPXDOh5HlbK412zMUwgAn24E jM7qUcbyF76oErtAUkJAgCTx =JxPl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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