RE: Skipping navigation tactics

Hi there,

It's easy for web access related sites or sites that are specifically
disabilities related like www.acb.org, where the skip navigation started, to
have visible skip navigation links. But Commercial sites are not willing
(for good reason) to have such a link clutter their design, e.g. www.ibm.com
and www.cnn.com (also www.assistivetech.net and www.firstgov.gov). The links
are there for blind users. There is no reason for them to be visible. There
are good reasons for having them not visible - they don't clutter the view
for people who look at the screen. It is "clutter" more than pixel clutter.
It is user interface clutter. "What does that link do," a sighted user
worries.

What is the relevance of the to-2008 sight
(http://www.to-2008.com/english/accessibility.asp). Did you think they had
links to skip navigation?

Jim
jim@jimthatcher.com
Accessibility Consulting
http://jimthatcher.com
512-306-0931

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Graham Oliver
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 7:12 PM
To: Charles McCathieNevile; Davey Leslie
Cc: Kelly Ford; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Skipping navigation tactics


I am not really in favour of hiding the link, have a
look at this page.

http://www.to-2008.com/english/accessibility.asp

I can't find the skip links in the html, it may be
there but that's one of the problems, it becomes
harder to test.

I like what they do on the HTML Writers Guild site,
putting the skip links on the top right rather than
the top left, it's easier to ignore then for people
who don't want/need to use it.



   Charles McCathieNevile  wrote: Yes. I am a visual
user, but have problems from time to time withusing
amouse. So hiding things too much is annoying. (On the
other hand, things comeup in the tabbing order, so as
long as there is a focus that is clearlyvisible I know
I have hit a link and just need to check the status
bar tofind out what is going on. I guess that's less
cool if you're usingmagnification. Any
thoughts?chaalsOn Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Davey Leslie
wrote:I wonder if hiding the "skip links" from graphic
browsers--which I've doneon a couple of sites with the
invisible gif trick--is really a good idea.I'm
starting to have second and third thoughts about it.
What about folkswho can't use a mouse? Isn't the "skip
links" useful for them?Just wondering...Davey Leslie--
Charles McCathieNevile
http://www.w3.org/People/Charles phone: +61 409 134
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