- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
- Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 03:19:46 -0500
- To: Kynn Bartlett <kynn-hwg@idyllmtn.com>
- Cc: WAI Interest Group Emailing List <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
aloha, kynn! the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) implies that the expected action of a user agent is to recycle the first instance of an expanded acronym or abbreviation each time the string is encountered, so i don't think that asking someone to enclose the first instance of an acronym or abbreviation is unreasonable... but, let me address your questions... you wrote: quote In other words, when I'm writing email (such as a HWG newsletter), I'll say something like World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) on first reference, and then W3C afterwards. Wouldn't it be better to teach those writing for the web to follow that existing, pre-web convention, rather than encouraging them to use ABBR/ACRONYM which is not well supported? unquote i do "see" your point about introducing a term first, and its acronym or abbreviation parenthetically, but i think you are missing mine... first, i'm not asking for anything off-the-wall by asking that the first instance of an acronym or abbreviation be expanded -- optimally in the way you cited as exhibit one, with the acronym being introduced parenthetically _after_ the term or word being shortened is introduced... second, while you may be able to keep the expansion in your head whilst absorbing new material, not everyone can, nor should they be expected to -- which is why WCAG suggests only that the _first_ instance of an acronym or abbreviation be encased in the appropriate markup... third, without recourse to ACRONYM and ABBR, how would you distinguish between multi-use acronyms and abbreviations? if one has a page in which one is attempting to convey the official position of the American Dental Association (ADA) on the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), wouldn't it make sense to provide for the expansion of _each_ instance of ADA, so as to avoid confusion? what about multi-use abbreviations such as d r period, which in english can be an abbreviation for "Doctor" or "Drive", as in a street address? fourth, what if you arrive at the page containing the acronym or abbreviation via a bookmark that points to a name anchor three-quarters of the way down the page? you also wrote: quote My version of Lynx won't do anything with ACRONYM tags, but I can say (W3C) after World Wide Web Consortium, and -everyone- will understand it. Wouldn't that imply, then, that "manual" acronym identification is superior, from an accessibility standpoint, to markup ACRONYM identification? unquote no, not if you can't remember what the hell the acronym or abbreviation is supposed to mean, or if you followed a link that places you somewhere deep in the document, far removed from the parenthetic introduction of the acronym or abbreviation ... besides, i haven't argued against inline expansion of an acronym or abbreviation before it is introduced, but use of ACRONYM and ABBR would _increase_ the usability and accessibility of the page when the acronym or abbreviation is recycled within the page, provided that the user could expand the acronym or abbreviation either on demand (something which is currently supported in IE if you can use a pointing device), or on a user-configurable schedule (such as a screen-reader setting that would allow one to configure the screen-reader to either always expand, expand when using the screen-reader's spell-word command, alert user of available expansion via a beep or sound clip, etc.) oh, and in case you were wondering, i not only mark up e t c period with the ABBR tag, but use the lang="la" to indicate that: (a) this particular term deviates from the natural language -- english -- declared using the LANG attribute in the HTML element, and (b) if it is expanded aurally, it should be expanded using the phonetic rule base for latin, even though i know that there aren't any screen readers or self-voicing browsers that are currently capable of reading to me in latin... so why persist in the practice? because, et cetera _is_ latin, and that's enough for the repressed medievalist in me! to return to the original nub of my gist, yes, i really do think that there is a need for both inline and marked-up expansion of acronyms, and that authors should be encouraged to follow both practices when introducing an acronym... and -- since there is an expectation (at least in WCAG -- i couldn't find anything indicating that the expansion would slash should be reused by a conforming user agent in the HTML 4x spec) that the expansion will be recycled, on pages where 2 different, yet identical, acronyms or abbreviations -- such as "Dr.", "St.", and "ADA" -- authors need to be encouraged to individually enclose _each_ instance with the appropriate markup... as a matter of fact, as a speech-user myself, i usually mark up any and every abbreviation with the ABBR tag, in the hopes that someday i will have access to a screen-reader or self-voicing browser that is capable of expanding abbreviations based on the TITLE contained in the ABBR tag, rather than relying on the type of inflexible exceptions dictionaries currently available... but there i go again -- expanding exponentially! will i ever learn? gregory. At 07:59 PM 2/19/00 -0800, Kynn wrote: >At 07:48 PM 2/19/2000 , Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote: > >in any other medium, it would be considered a sign not of sloppiness, > but rank incompetence and indifference, for an author NOT to expand an > acronym the first time it is introduced to the reader... why then, > should the web be exempt from this rule of thumb, simply because it takes > a few calories on the part of the author to (1) think of the correct > expansion and (2) a few keystrokes to enclose the term in an ACRONYM? > >Gregory, since web documents can be rendered in a number of media >in which acronym expansion is not available -- such as a printed >copy of a web page -- do you think it would be advisable to follow >the rule of any other medium, and "manually" expand acronyms and >abbreviations when writing them? > >In other words, when I'm writing email (such as a HWG newsletter), >I'll say something like World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) on first >reference, and then W3C afterwards. Wouldn't it be better to teach >those writing for the web to follow that existing, pre-web convention, >rather than encouraging them to use ABBR/ACRONYM which is not well >supported? > >I'm playing devil's advocate here, but with a purpose. Sometimes >it is important for us to not forget the techniques we've learned >offline when moving online. As far as I know, several major >browsers do not support ABBR/ACRONYM elements in HTML, but everything >can support inline parenthetical acronym definitions. > >My version of Lynx won't do anything with ACRONYM tags, but I can >say (W3C) after World Wide Web Consortium, and -everyone- will >understand it. Wouldn't that imply, then, that "manual" acronym >identification is superior, from an accessibility standpoint, to >markup ACRONYM identification? > >Do you see my point here? By relying on a poorly supported set of >tags such as ABBR and ACRONYM, we may be actually -decreasing- the >accessibility of our page. > >It could be argued that both should be used -- but do you really think >the following is necessary? > >EXHIBIT ONE > > The Web Accessibility Initiative > (<ACRONYM TITLE="Web Accessibility Initiative">WAI</ACRONYM>) > is part of the World Wide Web Consortium > (<ABBR TITLE="World Wide Web Consortium">W3C</ABBR>). > >Can you really honestly and truly say that is more accessible than: > >EXHIBIT TWO > > The Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) is part of the World > Wide Web Consortium (W3C). > >If you think the first example is more accessible -- why, how, and >to whom? If you think they're equally accessible, doesn't that >mean that the markup is a waste of time, energy, space, and bandwidth? > >Finally, consider the following: > >EXHIBIT THREE > > The > <ACRONYM TITLE="Web Accessibility Initiative">WAI</ACRONYM> > is part of the > <ABBR TITLE="World Wide Web Consortium">W3C</ABBR>. > >I maintain that this is the -least- accessible of the three exhibits -- >and yet it's followed the "correct" markup as suggested by the WCAG! >If you print this out or view it in Lynx, you will -not- know what >the abbreviated forms mean -- but you will in either of the previous >exhibits. >-- >Kynn Bartlett mailto:kynn@hwg.org >President, HTML Writers Guild http://www.hwg.org/ >AWARE Center Director http://aware.hwg.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- ABSURDITY, n. 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