- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
- Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 03:19:46 -0500
- To: Kynn Bartlett <kynn-hwg@idyllmtn.com>
- Cc: WAI Interest Group Emailing List <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
aloha, kynn!
the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) implies that the expected
action of a user agent is to recycle the first instance of an expanded
acronym or abbreviation each time the string is encountered, so i don't
think that asking someone to enclose the first instance of an acronym or
abbreviation is unreasonable...
but, let me address your questions... you wrote:
quote
In other words, when I'm writing email (such as a HWG newsletter), I'll say
something like World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) on first reference, and then
W3C afterwards. Wouldn't it be better to teach those writing for the web
to follow that existing, pre-web convention, rather than encouraging them
to use ABBR/ACRONYM which is not well supported?
unquote
i do "see" your point about introducing a term first, and its acronym or
abbreviation parenthetically, but i think you are missing mine... first,
i'm not asking for anything off-the-wall by asking that the first instance
of an acronym or abbreviation be expanded -- optimally in the way you cited
as exhibit one, with the acronym being introduced parenthetically _after_
the term or word being shortened is introduced... second, while you may be
able to keep the expansion in your head whilst absorbing new material, not
everyone can, nor should they be expected to -- which is why WCAG suggests
only that the _first_ instance of an acronym or abbreviation be encased in
the appropriate markup... third, without recourse to ACRONYM and ABBR, how
would you distinguish between multi-use acronyms and abbreviations? if one
has a page in which one is attempting to convey the official position of
the American Dental Association (ADA) on the Americans with Disabilities
Act (ADA), wouldn't it make sense to provide for the expansion of _each_
instance of ADA, so as to avoid confusion? what about multi-use
abbreviations such as d r period, which in english can be an abbreviation
for "Doctor" or "Drive", as in a street address? fourth, what if you
arrive at the page containing the acronym or abbreviation via a bookmark
that points to a name anchor three-quarters of the way down the page?
you also wrote:
quote
My version of Lynx won't do anything with ACRONYM tags, but I can say (W3C)
after World Wide Web Consortium, and -everyone- will understand
it. Wouldn't that imply, then, that "manual" acronym identification is
superior, from an accessibility standpoint, to markup ACRONYM identification?
unquote
no, not if you can't remember what the hell the acronym or abbreviation is
supposed to mean, or if you followed a link that places you somewhere deep
in the document, far removed from the parenthetic introduction of the
acronym or abbreviation ... besides, i haven't argued against inline
expansion of an acronym or abbreviation before it is introduced, but use of
ACRONYM and ABBR would _increase_ the usability and accessibility of the
page when the acronym or abbreviation is recycled within the page, provided
that the user could expand the acronym or abbreviation either on demand
(something which is currently supported in IE if you can use a pointing
device), or on a user-configurable schedule (such as a screen-reader
setting that would allow one to configure the screen-reader to either
always expand, expand when using the screen-reader's spell-word command,
alert user of available expansion via a beep or sound clip, etc.)
oh, and in case you were wondering, i not only mark up e t c period with
the ABBR tag, but use the lang="la" to indicate that: (a) this particular
term deviates from the natural language -- english -- declared using the
LANG attribute in the HTML element, and (b) if it is expanded aurally, it
should be expanded using the phonetic rule base for latin, even though i
know that there aren't any screen readers or self-voicing browsers that are
currently capable of reading to me in latin... so why persist in the
practice? because, et cetera _is_ latin, and that's enough for the
repressed medievalist in me!
to return to the original nub of my gist, yes, i really do think that there
is a need for both inline and marked-up expansion of acronyms, and that
authors should be encouraged to follow both practices when introducing an
acronym... and -- since there is an expectation (at least in WCAG -- i
couldn't find anything indicating that the expansion would slash should be
reused by a conforming user agent in the HTML 4x spec) that the expansion
will be recycled, on pages where 2 different, yet identical, acronyms or
abbreviations -- such as "Dr.", "St.", and "ADA" -- authors need to be
encouraged to individually enclose _each_ instance with the appropriate
markup...
as a matter of fact, as a speech-user myself, i usually mark up any and
every abbreviation with the ABBR tag, in the hopes that someday i will have
access to a screen-reader or self-voicing browser that is capable of
expanding abbreviations based on the TITLE contained in the ABBR tag,
rather than relying on the type of inflexible exceptions dictionaries
currently available...
but there i go again -- expanding exponentially! will i ever learn?
gregory.
At 07:59 PM 2/19/00 -0800, Kynn wrote:
>At 07:48 PM 2/19/2000 , Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote:
> >in any other medium, it would be considered a sign not of sloppiness,
> but rank incompetence and indifference, for an author NOT to expand an
> acronym the first time it is introduced to the reader... why then,
> should the web be exempt from this rule of thumb, simply because it takes
> a few calories on the part of the author to (1) think of the correct
> expansion and (2) a few keystrokes to enclose the term in an ACRONYM?
>
>Gregory, since web documents can be rendered in a number of media
>in which acronym expansion is not available -- such as a printed
>copy of a web page -- do you think it would be advisable to follow
>the rule of any other medium, and "manually" expand acronyms and
>abbreviations when writing them?
>
>In other words, when I'm writing email (such as a HWG newsletter),
>I'll say something like World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) on first
>reference, and then W3C afterwards. Wouldn't it be better to teach
>those writing for the web to follow that existing, pre-web convention,
>rather than encouraging them to use ABBR/ACRONYM which is not well
>supported?
>
>I'm playing devil's advocate here, but with a purpose. Sometimes
>it is important for us to not forget the techniques we've learned
>offline when moving online. As far as I know, several major
>browsers do not support ABBR/ACRONYM elements in HTML, but everything
>can support inline parenthetical acronym definitions.
>
>My version of Lynx won't do anything with ACRONYM tags, but I can
>say (W3C) after World Wide Web Consortium, and -everyone- will
>understand it. Wouldn't that imply, then, that "manual" acronym
>identification is superior, from an accessibility standpoint, to
>markup ACRONYM identification?
>
>Do you see my point here? By relying on a poorly supported set of
>tags such as ABBR and ACRONYM, we may be actually -decreasing- the
>accessibility of our page.
>
>It could be argued that both should be used -- but do you really think
>the following is necessary?
>
>EXHIBIT ONE
>
> The Web Accessibility Initiative
> (<ACRONYM TITLE="Web Accessibility Initiative">WAI</ACRONYM>)
> is part of the World Wide Web Consortium
> (<ABBR TITLE="World Wide Web Consortium">W3C</ABBR>).
>
>Can you really honestly and truly say that is more accessible than:
>
>EXHIBIT TWO
>
> The Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) is part of the World
> Wide Web Consortium (W3C).
>
>If you think the first example is more accessible -- why, how, and
>to whom? If you think they're equally accessible, doesn't that
>mean that the markup is a waste of time, energy, space, and bandwidth?
>
>Finally, consider the following:
>
>EXHIBIT THREE
>
> The
> <ACRONYM TITLE="Web Accessibility Initiative">WAI</ACRONYM>
> is part of the
> <ABBR TITLE="World Wide Web Consortium">W3C</ABBR>.
>
>I maintain that this is the -least- accessible of the three exhibits --
>and yet it's followed the "correct" markup as suggested by the WCAG!
>If you print this out or view it in Lynx, you will -not- know what
>the abbreviated forms mean -- but you will in either of the previous
>exhibits.
>--
>Kynn Bartlett mailto:kynn@hwg.org
>President, HTML Writers Guild http://www.hwg.org/
>AWARE Center Director http://aware.hwg.org/
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