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WAI IG Netiquette (Was: Citibank installs talking ATMs )

From: Bruce Bailey <bbailey@clark.net>
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:43:45 -0500
Message-ID: <01BF2AE2.5E7A1DA0.bbailey@clark.net>
To: "'Waddell, Cynthia'" <cynthia.waddell@ci.sj.ca.us>, "'W3C interest group'" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Cynthia's reputation is such that I don't think she will be hurt if I use 
her as an example.

What is this groups "rules" for longish re-posts of email?

Personally, I would much rather get a one or two sentence description with 
a URL.

I am very skeptical of email that does not come from the original source. 
 There is no "face validity" to this kind of forwarded message.  Aside from 
the fact that Cynthia is well established here, how does the rest of the 
list (or someone new to the list, or someone not on the list that I would 
like to share this information with) not know that Cynthia has been duped 
by someone calling himself "Lainey Feingold".  Without a reply from Mr. 
Feingold (who might be quite busy -- and does not know me from Adam) what 
could I do to confirm this story or look into more deeply?

Feel free to flame me (off the list please) if I am full of it, but I 
respectfully request that everybody here try to include a URL with ALL 
longish messages -- even if that means fewer posts!

Granted, I understand that many press releases DON'T have URLs, and many 
LISTSERVs are NOT publicly archived, but fortunately, those are the 
exception.  The real problem is people who send YOU good -- but 
non-referenced -- stuff that you feel obligated to share.  Fight this bad 
habit as close to the source as you can!  Get THEM to send you the source 
BEFORE passing the info on to someone else.  Remember -- this IS how email 
hoaxes and chain letters get their start!

With the example below, the Trace uaccess-l is archived at URL:
http://trace.wisc.edu/docs/uaccess-l/listproc/ but *I* can't get in further 
since I am not subscribed.

But in less than five minutes with AltaVista I found this:

Not to sound like a REAL jerk, but is five minutes of Cynthia's time (or 
whoever would post long -- non-original -- stuff like this) really THAT 
much more valuable than (5 min * X number of people who are interested) of 
everyone else's time?  (I realize that five minutes of Cynthia time *is* 
MUCH more valuable than five minutes of my time, but that is not really my 

Thank you!

-- Bruce Bailey

On Tuesday, November 09, 1999 5:25 PM, Waddell, Cynthia 
[SMTP:cynthia.waddell@ci.sj.ca.us] wrote:
> FYI,
> Cynthia D. Waddell
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Cynthia D. Waddell
> ADA Coordinator
> City Manager Department
> City of San Jose, CA USA
> 801 North First Street, Room 460
> San Jose, CA  95110-1704
> (408)277-4034
> (408)971-0134 TTY
> (408)277-3885 FAX
> http://www.rit.edu/~easi/webcast/cynthia.htm
> http://www.aasa.dshs.wa.gov/access/waddell.htm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lainey Feingold, Esq. [mailto:Lfeingold@california.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 1:18 PM
> To: uaccess-l@trace.wisc.edu
> Cc: ldar@sgdblaw.com
> Subject: Citibank installs talking ATMs
> OAKLAND, CA November 9, 1999 - The California Council of the Blind 
> today the installation of pilot "talking" automated teller machines 
> at
> five Citibank locations in California. The pilot machines are the first 
> combine touchscreens with technology that speaks information that sighted
> users
> see on the screen. Users will hear the on-screen information through
> headsets
> to ensure privacy.  The pilot machines have been installed at the 
> Citibank financial centers:
> 1. Downtown Berkeley - 2323 Shattuck Ave., Berkeley, California
> 2. Downtown San Francisco - 260 California St., San Francisco,
> California
> 3. San Carlos - 780 Laurel St., San Carlos, California
> 4. Los Angeles/Westchester - 8800 S. Sepulveda Blvd., Los Angeles,
> California
> 5. West Los Angeles/Rancho Park - 2566 Overland Ave., West Los Angeles,
> California
> Don Brown, the California Council's Berkeley chapter President, praised 
> new
> machines: "Citibank's machine is tremendous - it allows me for
> the first time to do a variety of banking transactions unassisted. This
> is a great step toward making access to banking services a reality for
> people
> who are blind or vision impaired."
> The pilot machines have been installed pursuant to an agreement reached 
> July between Citibank and the California Council of the Blind and members 
> the blind community, who approached Citibank to discuss how the company's
> ATMs
> could be programmed to communicate audibly with blind and low vision
> consumers.
> Lawyers for the blind community in these discussions were Linda M. 
> of
> the Oakland law firm of Saperstein, Goldstein, Demchak & Baller, Berkeley
> disability rights lawyer Elaine B. Feingold, and the Berkeley-based
> Disability
> Rights
> Education and Defense Fund.
> Linda Dardarian
> A Professional Corporation
> 1300 Clay Street, 11th Floor
> Oakland, CA 94612
> (888) 316-8870
> Law Office of Elaine B. Feingold
> 1524 Scenic Avenue
> Berkeley, CA 94708
> 510/848-8125
> Lainey Feingold
> Law Office of Elaine B. Feingold
> 1524 Scenic Avenue
> Berkeley, CA 94708
> (510) 848-8125
> (510) 548-5508 (fax)
> lfeingold@california.net
> The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged,
> confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended
> recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly
> prohibited.
> If you think that you have received this e-mail message in error, please
> e-mail
> the sender at lfeingold@california.net and delete it permanently from 
> computer files.  Thank you.
Received on Tuesday, 9 November 1999 18:44:36 UTC

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