- From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:23:26 -0400 (EDT)
- To: Ann Navarro <ann@webgeek.com>
- cc: Anne Pemberton <apembert@crosslink.net>, Kynn Bartlett <kynn-hwg@idyllmtn.com>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Ah. it appears I misunderstood what was being conveyed. It is clearly possible to give the jargon name for the things I described (this kind of marker is called...). And I agree that a description of a Pratt-Whitney Jet engine which failed to convey the right information is wrong. I think the issue here is what the boundaries of accessibility are. If I heard the question about Picasso in the normal course of conversation then I would answer yes- that I think it is precisely when you understand the symbolism of Picasso that it is accessible. And the deeper an understanding you have, the more accessible it is. Accessibility is about understanding. It is very difficult for a blind person to understand an image, and very easy for many of them to understand some "equivalent text", particularly in the context of searching the web for information. Think about the challenge of making a painting by Rothko (who does big squares of colour - for example all rust red with variations in shade and hue and tone) to a blind person. Or even to me. If I never saw Rothko paintings again my life would probably not be very different, since they are inaccessible to me already. But if somebody could explain to me what was interesting about such a painting, then they would make a difference to me. In terms of making a particular site more accessible, there are things we can do. Just as there are with accessibility for people who are blind, deaf, have motor disabilities, etc there is a whole continuum of accessibility for people with learning disabilities. There are a corresponding range of things we can do, from providing multimedia presentations of the material on a site which are designed to teach deaf children with learning disabilities, step by step, how to implement an XML parser, to making our writing style clearer and providing more graphic illustration of the ideas we express. Although I think the WAI guidelines are very good, I do not think that meeting the guidelines is proof of accessibility. The phrase I use is that meeting the guidelines would make a "rebuttable presumption" - which is a term that a lawyer told me. It means if you do what the guidelines say, then you can say "I think I have done it right", and people should have to show you what you did wrong. But if you don't do something in the guidelines, then that is something wrong. In the original example, I would suggest that it does not follow two checkpoints - the one about writing clearly and the one about illustrating. Both of these are P3 in the current guidelines, and it has been suggested by Anne, Dave and others that these are in fact more important than P3 in the context of learning disabilities. I look forward to learning more. Charles McCN On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Ann Navarro wrote: At 12:25 AM 6/11/99 -0400, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: >( I have assumed from the context that the general notation had already been >explained, and that I have understood it more or less correctly. > >I wrote that straight off in two minutes as an immediate reply. It is clearly >possible to increaase the accessibility of such a concept dramatically. The concept is accessible already, according to WAI guidelines. I still don't accept that accessibility automatically equates to "understandability". (Must I understand the symbolism in a Picasso to have it be accessible to me?) The question still remains: While the language was simplified, does it still impart the required technical information for those who need to use it in that manner. In my opinion, it does not -- because important terms and definitions have been removed in favor of "understandability". The new sample does not define an "occurance indicator", a term that must be used for clear an concise communication about DTDs. Nor does it appropriately label items such as the generic identifier name. So even though someone might understand that when we make things, it must have other things, and this thing we're calling a sundae may not have nuts, the sample has not done what it was supposed to do: Define and demonstrate the use of occurance indicators that are placed on generic identifier names -- a critical skill used in writing DTDs. The original assertion in this argument was that the W3C site must be written in a manner similar to your sample in order to have any credibility in discussing accessibility. My argument remains that doing so is inapprorpiate for that type of site -- technical specifications are specific by their very nature. Third-party prose may certainly choose to improve understandability for the lay person, but requiring technical specs to be written at a third grade level woul render them quite useless as a defining spec. Put another way -- having the Pratt-Whitney jet engine repair manuals written at a third grade level might be "good" so that they can be understandable to anyone who might want to pick it up -- but if that results in enough loss of specificity that an error is made by a mechanic who met his job requirement of understanding college-level material but must use a third-grade level repair manual, simply because the language explaining what a foo is and how it was supposed to be inserted into the widget was too general -- and that error results in the loss of a plane in a crash.......then we've "understood" ourselves into disaster. Ann --- Author of Effective Web Design: Master the Essentials Buy it Online - http://www.webgeek.com/about.html Coming this summer! --- Mastering XML Founder, WebGeek Communications http://www.webgeek.com Vice President-Finance, HTML Writers Guild http://www.hwg.org Director, HWG Online Education http://www.hwg.org/classes --Charles McCathieNevile mailto:charles@w3.org phone: +1 617 258 0992 http://www.w3.org/People/Charles W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI MIT/LCS - 545 Technology sq., Cambridge MA, 02139, USA
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