- From: William Loughborough <love26@gorge.net>
- Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 07:06:48 -0700
- To: "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
I am changing the subject because everyone seems agreed about everything except the central issue under discussion. I know *lots* of blind people. Some of them are "congenitally blind" others "adventitiously blind" (yes, some jokesters even call that "advantageously blind"). Some are "lights out" blind, others have varying degrees of visual impairment ("legally blind", "high partials", etc.). Among all of them are varying degrees of concern about such things as how it looks to wear whatever color combo they wear but others don't even use protheses ("glass eyes") to look "better" to sighted people. Some want to know all the details of what's around them and some only care about what "really matters" for coping purposes. The point of all this in our context is that some people think *everything" presented is *Content* and for someone to (arbitrarily?) decide that the background that shows tiled spinning wheels on the yarn shop website isn't content is behaving discriminatorily. Others (my sighted self included) prefer not to have such backgrounds because it's not *really* content - but if you're not aware of it and it comes up in some context you might feel unprepared to participate in a discussion. And no matter what definition I use to decide whether some "content" is *really* *CONTENT* that choice is preferred *BY SOME PEOPLE* to be in the control of the user and her agent and not decided by some all-knowing author who doesn't understand the overall tyrrany of the everyday relationship of TABs (Temporarily Able Bodied) to folks in the disabled community. It would seem that this entire thread (which thankfully has only generated a little heat in connection with the use of "discrimination") might be better served in another forum but the underlying philosophy here is whether we can allow the users' agents to decipher as much (or little) of the HTML as the user wants and not put so much burden on the author to decide how "equal" the "seamless" or "separate but equal" versions are. IMHO the focus should be on making it *possible* for the users' software to render a site in whatever way she wants and the most important point and the thing that makes most pages unusable is the absence of ALT= attributes (and their cousins LONGDESC and TITLE). The guidelines are properly heavily focused on things that *only* the author can correct and that there is no conceivable way (at this time?) for any imaginable (practical?) browser/agent to make things intelligible. If a modification to LYNX 2.x were to make it possible to make sense of tables, forms, etc. then we need not force the authors into complying with further rules. Liam's "seamlessness" could be got from some complex user style sheet or Raman's magical mystery tour. But please don't continue with the idea that "content" is an absolute and that there's no semantics in choices concerning <HR>. -- Love. ACCESSIBILITY IS RIGHT - NOT PRIVILEGE http://dicomp.pair.com
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