Re: SURVEY: WCAG 2.2 editorial updates

> 4 – Can you confirm that the slider thumb is included? It looks like the main point of my issue is not included.

It could be, but some work with gestures (where the initial direction matters), and some work by ‘dragging’ where the initial direction doesn’t matter. It is not a clear example to use, and it features a lot in pointer-gestures.

The point of the examples is to say what kind of thing can be dragged, and the thumb of a slider is generally an image, so included.

I’m not sure I follow that logic – at some level everything on the screen is an image so maybe we should just use that as an example? I’m happy to have a clearer example, but thought that this SC was started due to questions about sliders?


> 5 – Part of the point of my edits was to directly clarify that zooming triggers a user-initiated change because it clarifies the exception. I would be more comfortable with this formulation if the phrase “The user can cause a change” was “The user can initiate a change”

We can use ‘initiate’ instead of ‘cause’.

Great.
Thanks,
AWK

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4. Improvement for Dragging Movement definition note #2595

This had agreement except for a question: Is it ok to include the thumbs of sliders in this list of examples?

Sliders are used a lot in the Pointer Gestures understanding document<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fwcag%2Funderstanding%2Fpointer-gestures.html&data=05%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C1801ac69576841ab3c3008da809f09f0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637963717837506435%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rUYtif4%2FYjLwisWWSF2u0V76xAl%2FfA2qXMpaFjQqye0%3D&reserved=0> and we’ve already had trouble differentiating gestures and dragging, so I think it is a good point.

Given that any “little piece of UI” is probably represented by text or an image, I propose that we just remove the last part so it is:
“Examples of draggable elements include list items, text elements, and images.”

Any objections?


5. Clarification for Consistent Help, 2nd Note #2596

There were several suggested updates, taking into account the context (the rest of the note<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fwcag%2Fguidelines%2F22%2F%23h-note-31&data=05%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C1801ac69576841ab3c3008da809f09f0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637963717837506435%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=C4kMtzSwADu5Bpwi5r3HZrnHtBY1ecijdMOE4vunI4A%3D&reserved=0>), I though this combination worked best:

“For this Success Criterion, the same relative order can be thought of as how the content is ordered when the page is serialized. The visual position of a help mechanism is likely to be consistent across pages for the same page variation (e.g., CSS break-point). [CHANGE:] The user can cause a change, such as changing the page's zoom or orientation, which may trigger a different page variation. A visual change between page variations does mean a change of relative order.”

Any objections to that?

Kind regards,

-Alastair



From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Date: Monday, 15 August 2022 at 10:41
To: WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: SURVEY: WCAG 2.2 editorial updates
Hi everyone,

There are a few recent editorial updates identified in github issues.

I’ve created a survey for this:
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag22-misc2/<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2002%2F09%2Fwbs%2F35422%2Fwcag22-misc2%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C1801ac69576841ab3c3008da809f09f0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637963717837506435%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XpH2LaN0RTyCi0%2FGYrT0kwEbeIzVFnHtWThKEY0%2FEwE%3D&reserved=0>

If we get sufficient response (of agreement) on the survey this week, I don’t think they need meeting time. If people disagree we can raise them at a meeting.

Kind regards,

-Alastair

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