Re: [EXT] Re: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Target Size (Min), Normative Text

+1
I’m hard-pressed to imagine a situation where two radio buttons, etc., could be brought in close enough proximity that this would be a factor (maybe 2 with really small type stacked on top of each other and spaced single line?) but I can’t see any negative to adding in the target offset to the UA exception.

Mike
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+1

Thx,

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Target Size (Min), Normative Text

+1

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Date: Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 11:06 AM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Target Size (Min), Normative Text
Hi everyone,

To deal with an objection, I’m proposing an update to the user-agent bullet:

“User agent control: The size of the target and target offset is determined by the user agent and is not modified by the author;”

(Adding “and target offset” https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/2534/files<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fpull%2F2534%2Ffiles&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C805e784bc08d4f50f62908da5aac53e1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637921993448626744%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5C31iSehu5mA71LkYdlHKdcDMIxKZPKbHjRKmokbpJQ%3D&reserved=0> ).

Please reply if this changes your previous +1.

Kind regards,

-Alastair


From: Alastair Campbell
Call For Consensus — ends Wednesday Monday July 4th at midday Boston time.

The Working Group has previously discussed the WCAG 2.2 SC Target Size (Min) and the Normative text needs to be approved by CFC.

It can be previewed in the editor’s draft:
https://w3c.github.io/wcag/guidelines/22/#target-size-minimum<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fwcag%2Fguidelines%2F22%2F%23target-size-minimum&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C805e784bc08d4f50f62908da5aac53e1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637921993448626744%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aK1VQg6u7Lt2B5PWCAlAQT1%2FOymH1IlqnW5UeIg3kMo%3D&reserved=0>

The SC was last discussed in a meeting May 17th:
https://www.w3.org/2022/05/17-ag-minutes#item07<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2022%2F05%2F17-ag-minutes%23item07&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C805e784bc08d4f50f62908da5aac53e1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637921993448626744%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fBN6J%2FLNgKZxanTEzvB4epkNZtbiB7GWGDj3C%2FjPhrE%3D&reserved=0>

The change history is here:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/commits/main/guidelines/sc/22/target-size-minimum.html<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fcommits%2Fmain%2Fguidelines%2Fsc%2F22%2Ftarget-size-minimum.html&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C805e784bc08d4f50f62908da5aac53e1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637921993448626744%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=f3QlAZJ5ooa0WINb2BMRLBMFMKk%2BqfCWAnk6asPgp7A%3D&reserved=0>

The survey is available here:
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag22-target-size-min/results<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2002%2F09%2Fwbs%2F35422%2Fwcag22-target-size-min%2Fresults&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C805e784bc08d4f50f62908da5aac53e1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637921993448626744%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8%2FWyuy5ysA416pf1c%2B20AzWTGekjTYCgmvAJEQBXtwE%3D&reserved=0>

The github issues are listed here:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%222.5.8+Target+Size+%28Min%29%22+-label%3A%22Survey+-+Added%22<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fissues%3Fq%3Dis%253Aissue%2Bis%253Aopen%2Blabel%253A%25222.5.8%2BTarget%2BSize%2B%2528Min%2529%2522%2B-label%253A%2522Survey%2B-%2BAdded%2522&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C805e784bc08d4f50f62908da5aac53e1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637921993448626744%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PPHcW0Si%2Bud5xjgLKUePKuKxSDBD8c9NxqJuOQtZAVM%3D&reserved=0>
(There is 1 open, related to an understanding content update.)

If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline.

Kind regards,
-Alastair
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