RE: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Target Size (Min), Normative Text

+1 including Wilco’s mods

Sheri

From: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 7:52 AM
To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Cc: WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Target Size (Min), Normative Text


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Hey Alastair,
Yes, that'll do the trick. Thank you!

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 2:48 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>> wrote:
Hi Wilco,

It was added quite a while ago (2021), but perhaps there’s a simple addition to solve that?

User agent control: The size of the target and target offset is determined by the user agent and is not modified by the author;

That allows for things like select-dropdowns where you can’t control the size OR spacing, but keeps in scope things where you can control the spacing around them.

-Alastair


From: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com<mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>
Date: Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 13:14
To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>>
Cc: WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Target Size (Min), Normative Text
Hey Alastair,
I think there's a flaw in the user agent exception. Something like radio buttons and checkboxes often use the size determined by the user agent. As written, this SC would suggest content authors are not responsible for how far they space those apart, unless they've adjusted the size of them. That doesn't sound right to me.

I'm going to go -1 on this for now. Apologies for not spotting this sooner. I'm not sure when the user agent exception got added but I clearly hadn't looked at it carefully enough.



On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 6:49 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>> wrote:
Call For Consensus — ends Wednesday Monday July 4th at midday Boston time.

The Working Group has previously discussed the WCAG 2.2 SC Target Size (Min) and the Normative text needs to be approved by CFC.

It can be previewed in the editor’s draft:
https://w3c.github.io/wcag/guidelines/22/#target-size-minimum<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fwcag%2Fguidelines%2F22%2F%23target-size-minimum&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7Cfd122b4e538b4976a95a08da5aa854c6%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637921976293405171%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=KxG2nANu%2F08xheGWzSiOBwzUIVonjNy7ULUA5wAyJOo%3D&reserved=0>

The SC was last discussed in a meeting May 17th:
https://www.w3.org/2022/05/17-ag-minutes#item07<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2022%2F05%2F17-ag-minutes%23item07&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7Cfd122b4e538b4976a95a08da5aa854c6%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637921976293405171%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xYu71fGYCCpADf%2FxElHnMF1TsCvFcrB13Z3tbzGb4%2BU%3D&reserved=0>

The change history is here:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/commits/main/guidelines/sc/22/target-size-minimum.html<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fcommits%2Fmain%2Fguidelines%2Fsc%2F22%2Ftarget-size-minimum.html&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7Cfd122b4e538b4976a95a08da5aa854c6%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637921976293405171%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=oA02zshRNJpNsgHIuHbPiOjPCgVH67qg6ZnXlgC9368%3D&reserved=0>

The survey is available here:
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag22-target-size-min/results<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2002%2F09%2Fwbs%2F35422%2Fwcag22-target-size-min%2Fresults&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7Cfd122b4e538b4976a95a08da5aa854c6%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637921976293405171%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=v4UkwakRKDU0ZYQWvLQ%2FEb1pHFGVtY0Oyh6ZYYuwSn0%3D&reserved=0>

The github issues are listed here:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%222.5.8+Target+Size+%28Min%29%22+-label%3A%22Survey+-+Added%22<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fissues%3Fq%3Dis%253Aissue%2Bis%253Aopen%2Blabel%253A%25222.5.8%2BTarget%2BSize%2B%2528Min%2529%2522%2B-label%253A%2522Survey%2B-%2BAdded%2522&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7Cfd122b4e538b4976a95a08da5aa854c6%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637921976293405171%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CJY7YQZ5vleG30Uai8z7rMXxJQgTg1yVHsl315RUTU0%3D&reserved=0>
(There is 1 open, related to an understanding content update.)

If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline.

Kind regards,
-Alastair
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Axe-core & Axe-linter product owner - WCAG 3 Project Manager - Facilitator ACT Task Force



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Axe-core & Axe-linter product owner - WCAG 3 Project Manager - Facilitator ACT Task Force
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