- From: Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:22:06 +0300
- To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
- Cc: Suzanne Taylor <suzanne.taylor@thingsentertainment.net>, public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>, "w3c-waI-gl@w3. org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAKExBMLrR0DXKDG5aKFSYFyS1QYFD8AZ9XvyY_8AK2-fPvsbyA@mail.gmail.com>
AT this point if we address some of the userneeds that would be a win! On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 2:24 AM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > > > My understanding is that at least some of the conventions outlined in the > definition are not sufficient for the user-need. Happy to be corrected on > that by others from COGA, but that is what I’ve heard previously. > > > > Also, I don’t think we can rely on convention as a measure without some > sort of catalogue of approved examples. (Conventions vary by person, > cultural groups, domain knowledge, countries etc.) It wouldn’t just be a > convention for “interactivity”, in this scenario it needs to be a > convention of showing more controls, which is more specific. > > > > As a side note – the 1st exception included multi-step process so authors > wouldn’t be penalised for including short-cuts. E.g. the list of emails in > Gmail might have on-hover short-cuts, but those options are also available > on the individual email page. > > > > Also, the 1st part of the proposal doesn’t restrict the scope to controls > that appear on-hover/focus. As written it would apply to *all* controls, > which isn’t the intent. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > -Alastair > > > > > > > > *From: *Suzanne Taylor > > Maybe… > > > > *Success Criterion 3.2.7 Temporarily Visible Controls (Level AA):* > Provide a *visible indicator* that is available without mouse or keyboard > focus for each control or set of controls, except when: > > - The same functionality is available through another control or set > of controls on the same screen; *(The COGA guidance indicates that > users want to know what’s available to them, so avoiding going through an > entire process to find the features is important, so I dropped the > multi-step process part of this one.)* > - The temporarily visible controls appear with any action on the page > (including mouse over) and remain visible for at least 3 seconds > - A mechanism is available to make temporarily visible controls > persistently visible; > - The temporarily visible controls provide keyboard-only functionality > and appear on keyboard focus; > - The controls are part of a user interface for editing what is shown > persistently and the user interface includes a help section that explains > this; > - Hiding the visible indicator is essential to the purpose of the page. > > > > And then perhaps define “visible indicator”: > > > > *Visible indicator:* Visuals designed to indicate interactivity through > either known conventions for indicating interactivity (e.g. outlined > button, image of a video, profile pic, underlined links, submenu arrows), > or through new conventions used within a particular set of Web pages (e.g. > everything interactive within an online game is surrounded by a purple > halo; everything you can edit in a drawing application has mini mouse > pointer in the bottom right). > > >
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