- From: Sarah Horton <sarah.horton@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:36:00 +0100
- To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
- Cc: Suzanne Taylor <suzanne.taylor@thingsentertainment.net>, public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>, "w3c-waI-gl@w3. org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <04C5BE56-EC0A-4AA5-8931-16FEC49AAE20@gmail.com>
Noting that this helpful input is from Suzanne Taylor, not Sarah. Best, Sarah > On Apr 28, 2022, at 12:21 AM, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> wrote: > > Hi Sarah, > > My understanding is that at least some of the conventions outlined in the definition are not sufficient for the user-need. Happy to be corrected on that by others from COGA, but that is what I’ve heard previously. > > Also, I don’t think we can rely on convention as a measure without some sort of catalogue of approved examples. (Conventions vary by person, cultural groups, domain knowledge, countries etc.) It wouldn’t just be a convention for “interactivity”, in this scenario it needs to be a convention of showing more controls, which is more specific. > > As a side note – the 1st exception included multi-step process so authors wouldn’t be penalised for including short-cuts. E.g. the list of emails in Gmail might have on-hover short-cuts, but those options are also available on the individual email page. > > Also, the 1st part of the proposal doesn’t restrict the scope to controls that appear on-hover/focus. As written it would apply to all controls, which isn’t the intent. > > Kind regards, > > -Alastair > > > > From: Suzanne Taylor > > Maybe… > > Success Criterion 3.2.7 Temporarily Visible Controls (Level AA): Provide a visible indicator that is available without mouse or keyboard focus for each control or set of controls, except when: > The same functionality is available through another control or set of controls on the same screen; (The COGA guidance indicates that users want to know what’s available to them, so avoiding going through an entire process to find the features is important, so I dropped the multi-step process part of this one.) > The temporarily visible controls appear with any action on the page (including mouse over) and remain visible for at least 3 seconds > A mechanism is available to make temporarily visible controls persistently visible; > The temporarily visible controls provide keyboard-only functionality and appear on keyboard focus; > The controls are part of a user interface for editing what is shown persistently and the user interface includes a help section that explains this; > Hiding the visible indicator is essential to the purpose of the page. > > And then perhaps define “visible indicator”: > > Visible indicator: Visuals designed to indicate interactivity through either known conventions for indicating interactivity (e.g. outlined button, image of a video, profile pic, underlined links, submenu arrows), or through new conventions used within a particular set of Web pages (e.g. everything interactive within an online game is surrounded by a purple halo; everything you can edit in a drawing application has mini mouse pointer in the bottom right).
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