RE: Visible controls updates

+1

"identify that user interface components are available" does not imply to identify which element is available, but it indicates that the location should be clearly indicated.

Best regards,
Gundula

From: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
Sent: Freitag, 12. November 2021 18:55
To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Cc: WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Visible controls updates

Hey Alastair,
The current wording no longer has a connection between the visual indicator and the component. I think in the new wording, putting a text on the page that says "this submit button is available on hover" meets the requirement, even though it provides no information on where to find that hidden component.

I don't think the word "identify" does an amazing job of capturing that case, but I think there's at least an argument to be made that if there's no information on where to find that component, it isn't "identifying" it.


On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 6:25 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>> wrote:
Hi Wilco & group,

In the last meeting we discussed the re-write of Visible controls:
https://www.w3.org/2021/11/09-ag-minutes.html#item05<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2021%2F11%2F09-ag-minutes.html%23item05&data=04%7C01%7Cgundula.niemann%40sap.com%7C960a93bf34524a86b44308d9a605bf56%7C42f7676cf455423c82f6dc2d99791af7%7C0%7C0%7C637723365885920748%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=gwC9kp0lNSG7fAv9X7509cmSaOm%2FfvZbF%2FDdR6KmtsM%3D&reserved=0>

In the Friday meeting today we've updated that, visible in the PR:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/2019/files<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fpull%2F2019%2Ffiles&data=04%7C01%7Cgundula.niemann%40sap.com%7C960a93bf34524a86b44308d9a605bf56%7C42f7676cf455423c82f6dc2d99791af7%7C0%7C0%7C637723365885930704%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=wX3p0MAwlFclUrD9s0bkTVpsmi0OyXcCgyjcMZdMpUU%3D&reserved=0>

Wilco made some suggestions during the meeting for the first part of the SC text, to say something like "provide visible indicators that identify the available components", but in our discussion we thought:


  *   Adding the word "identify" doesn't seem to add anything that "visible indicator" is not already saying.
  *   Adding the verb identify has larger ramifications, e.g. "provide visible indicators that identify the available components", would mean each available component has to be identifiable from the indicator, which is more than the intent. It doesn't allow for grouping.

We'd appreciate a little more info on what the core concern is.

Kind regards,

-Alastair

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