- From: Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 13:57:27 +0200
- To: Rachael Montgomery <rachael@accessiblecommunity.org>
- Cc: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, "WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org)" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, "public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org" <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAKExBMLfh+7dWVN4mt+Fw32ET2SUszqpjNp92mhtKWJVf9k3Cw@mail.gmail.com>
I will need to leave if the plumber comes (to let him in) but I will try and join at 8.10 est! On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 1:28 PM Rachael Montgomery < rachael@accessiblecommunity.org> wrote: > Lisa, > > I can speak to this some this morning and I may have a few options to > discuss. I can be on your zoom at 8:10 ET if you are available. > > Rachael > On Feb 4, 2021, 6:21 AM -0500, Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com>, wrote: > > But why does the definition have to be different? > > Do you want a call tonight or sunday and we can try and hash out some > wording. > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 12:33 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> > wrote: > >> HI Lisa, >> >> >> >> Yes, set of web pages is defined and used by 4 current SCs, the most >> similar is Consistent Navigation. The problem is that "Consistent >> Navigation" (and the others) do not require that navigation be shown on all >> pages in the set, only that where it does show, it must show consistently. >> >> They almost self-define, as if you don’t have the navigation then it >> isn’t the same set. It is only if you do have the navigation and it is in a >> different place that it triggers a fail. >> >> >> >> Findable Help requires that you know whether a page is in a set, and if >> certain help mechanisms are available, then it should have those available >> consistently across the set. >> >> >> >> -Alastair >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* 04 February 2021 10:10 >> *To:* Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> >> *Cc:* WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; >> public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org >> *Subject:* Re: Findable help issues >> >> >> >> Isn't it defined at set-of-web-pagesdef >> <https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/navigation-mechanisms-mult-loc.html#set-of-web-pagesdef> from >> SC *2.4.5 >> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#navigation-mechanisms-mult-loc> Multiple >> Ways?* >> >> >> >> I am not sure we can do a better job! >> >> Maybe >> >> Set a screen that are used to complete a process, such as filling out a >> form or learning about a product >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:19 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Lisa, >> >> >> >> Sure, the latest version of the SC text and understanding is here: >> >> https://w3c.github.io/wcag/understanding/findable-help.html >> >> >> >> The basic issue here though is that ‘set of web pages’ hasn’t been used >> in this way before. How does a tester (or even the developer!) know whether >> a page belongs to a particular set of web pages. >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> -Alastair >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* 02 February 2021 14:54 >> *To:* Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> >> *Cc:* WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; >> public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org >> *Subject:* Re: Findable help issues >> >> >> >> Hi Alistair >> >> Can we have a link to the current wording of the SC? >> >> It might make more sense to me then... >> >> All the best >> >> Lisa >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:47 AM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> >> >> Last time we discussed Findable help, there were a couple of issues we >> couldn’t answer: >> >> https://www.w3.org/2020/12/01-ag-minutes.html#item03 >> >> >> >> The resolution was to add some examples that try to answer the question. >> In doing so, we should be able to work out if the SC text will be testable. >> >> The problem was that "Consistent Navigation" doesn't require that >> navigation be shown on all pages in the set, only that where it does show, >> it must show consistently. >> >> I think this does put us under a burden of proof to show, either through >> examples or a definition update, how people can consistently identify >> whether any page is part of a set. >> >> If that is too difficult, it might be a case for deferment because in >> Silver the person claiming conformance defines the process/task/set. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> -Alastair >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> @alastc / www.nomensa.com >> >> >> >>
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