Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: UPDATED AGENDA and Survey - AGWG & Silver joint Meeting May 18th 2021

Thank you Angela, eager to see possible solutions!

INTERESTING UPDATE:

NOT aligned with Rian but she also just added a Github issue:

*Comment on WCAG 2.2 Draft: please delay adding of new Success Criteria
before the current documentation is improved. #1818*
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/1818




Op wo 19 mei 2021 om 09:44 schreef Angela Hooker <anhook@microsoft.com>:

> Jake,
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> Thanks very much for sharing this. These will be hard conversations, as
> you said, but I hope we all appreciate the messenger for bring up the
> topic. 😊
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> All the best,
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> Angela
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> *From:* jake abma <jake.abma@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 18, 2021 11:34 PM
> *To:* Christopher Loiselle <chris.loiselle@oracle.com>
> *Cc:* Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>; WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org)
> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; Silver TF <public-silver@w3.org>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: UPDATED AGENDA and Survey - AGWG & Silver joint
> Meeting May 18th 2021
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> Hey all,
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> Based on my comment / question from yesterday and the Chair meeting for
> today I would just like to send you all a blog post from Rian where she
> summarizes concerns I've heard a lot last year from many different people.
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> https://level-level.com/blog/we-need-to-talk-about-wcag/
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> We all want to create awesome guidelines with brilliant explanations and
> work hard to provide these, but sometimes it is very, very, good to reflect
> on what we do and where possible ask the hard questions if we are on the
> right track.
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> Personally I do not have the perfect answer, but it would be great to have
> a thorough discussion about the critical notes from the community.
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> It might be that we can do more than only wait a couple of years till
> SIlver might be mature enough to use, *and IF Silver solves the critical
> notes!*
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> Starting with all Github issues, fixing what we know is broke, might be a
> good starting point, next to maybe really thinking on what we would like to
> achieve in the "short term" with WCAG 2.3 (?) (if we go that way)
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> For me it feels like the WCAG WG and all related sub-groups
> are exponentially growing (too ?!) fast and this might result in even
> more cluttered documentation and it is very hard to keep track on things.
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> Don't shoot the messenger ... :-) Love you all, and hope this
> positive critical note helps us steer into the good direction!
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> Cheers,
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> Jake
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> Op di 18 mei 2021 om 19:11 schreef Christopher Loiselle <
> chris.loiselle@oracle.com>:
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> Hi All,
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> Here are the minutes from today’s meeting:
> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/18-ag-minutes.html
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> Thank you,
> Chris
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> *From:* Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 17, 2021 3:39 PM
> *To:* Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>; WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org)
> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; Silver TF <public-silver@w3.org>
> *Subject:* [External] : UPDATED AGENDA and Survey - AGWG & Silver joint
> Meeting May 18th 2021
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> Apologies for the late notice, our agenda is being updated.  WCAG 3.0
> Headings review will be moved to the following AGWG meeting (5/24/2021),
> and will be replaced by:
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>                New Errors Guideline
> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/silver/srayos/error-prev-index-2/guidelines/index.html#error-prevention
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> We will extend the headings review survey by one week as well.
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> Regards,
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> Charles Adams
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> *From:* Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 13, 2021 1:57 PM
> *To:* WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; Silver TF <
> public-silver@w3.org>
> *Subject:* [External] : AGENDA and Survey - AGWG & Silver joint Meeting
> May 18th 2021
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> The AGWG *and* Silver TF will be meeting on Tuesday, 18th May  2021 at
> 11.00 AM Eastern US (Length: up to 2 hours).
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> Agenda
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> ·         TPAC is Oct 2021, breakout sessions?
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
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> ·         WCAG 3.0 Explainer survey
> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG30-Explainer/
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> ·         WCAG 3.0 Headings review
> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag3-method-headings-exercise/
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> ·         Introduce the new group homepage (5 min)
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> ·         WCAG 2.x issue resolutions (Q1-4)
> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG22-Misc-items/
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> Kind regards,
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> Charles Adams
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