Re: Question about SC 2.4.3 Focus Order

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On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 1:03 PM Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>
wrote:

> Hi Katherine,
>
> I think I have a use case which doesn't align with your statement:  "If
> forward "navigation sequences affect meaning", going backward would mean
> the meaning would be lost."  There may be other use cases which do, but I
> don't think your statement is always true.
>
> The use case I'll site is our current NBA standings or NHL standings.  The
> listings of the teams are tab-able (though there are other issues on these
> pages), and sequence of the teams has meaning: their position in the
> standings.  As one tabs through the teams, their position in the sequence
> is their ranking in the standings.  Reverse tab doesn't lose meaning.  The
> user is still tabbing through their rankings, but the reverse tab ascends
> the standings rather than descends.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck the sports fan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Katherine Eng <eng@access-board.gov>
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 10:32 AM
> To: Katherine Eng <eng@access-board.gov>; Bruce Bailey
> <Bailey@Access-Board.gov>; WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <
> w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> Cc: 508 <508@Access-Board.gov>
> Subject: RE: Question about SC 2.4.3 Focus Order
>
> The first line of my response was removed. It was
>
> -1: no
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Katherine Eng <eng@access-board.gov>
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 12:28 PM
> To: Bruce Bailey <Bailey@Access-Board.gov>; WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org)
> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> Cc: 508 <508@Access-Board.gov>
> Subject: RE: Question about SC 2.4.3 Focus Order
>
> If forward "navigation sequences affect meaning", going backward would
> mean the meaning would be lost. I wouldn't expect a page with meaningful
> forward focus order to preserve the meaning when navigated backwards.
>
> If going forward and backward do not affect meaning, then 2.4.3 would not
> apply.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kathy Eng
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Bailey <Bailey@Access-Board.gov>
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 11:46 AM
> To: WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> Cc: 508 <508@Access-Board.gov>
> Subject: Question about SC 2.4.3 Focus Order
>
> Fellow AG'lers, I am asking that you indulge me in a quick straw poll:
> Does SC 2.4.3 Focus Order include backwards navigation?
>
> +1:  yes, of course
> 0:  not sure / maybe
> -1:  no, of course not
>
> FWIW, the associated Understanding Doc has a contradiction between the
> third paragraph of Intent and the first example provide.  I will be filling
> an issue (and, hopefully, following up with a pull request) about that, but
> really I first need a sense of the group consensus before that can happen.
>
> Follows is 2.4.3 and the relevant affiliated definition.
>
> Success Criterion 2.4.3 Focus Order (Level A):  If a Web page can be
> navigated sequentially and the navigation sequences affect meaning or
> operation, focusable components receive focus in an order that preserves
> meaning and operability.
>
> navigated sequentially:  navigated in the order defined for advancing
> focus (from one element to the next) using a keyboard interface
>
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