Re: Pre-CFC - Redundant entry

+1 to Andrew’s comment.

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Date: Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 6:06 PM
To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, "WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org)" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Pre-CFC - Redundant entry
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Resent-Date: Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 6:06 PM

I don’t understand why “steps in a process” is a “set of controls to achieve particular user-actions” – that doesn’t’ square with the definition of process.

Process: series of user actions where each action is required in order to complete an activity

Why isn’t “step in a process”: A single user action in a series which is required to complete an activity

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Head of Accessibility
Adobe

akirkpat@adobe.com
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From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 11:27 AM
To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: RE: Pre-CFC - Redundant entry
Resent-From: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Resent-Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 11:26 AM

Hi Wilco & everyone,

This conversation stalled a bit, is this definition for ‘steps in a process’ ok?

Added here:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/1046/commits/80dea318ef8c6f65b66d2022fbb06005a5ca74c0


If so, we can go to CFC on this one.

Cheers,

-Alastair


From: Alastair Campbell

- "user-actions presented": I don't think a "user action" is something that can be "presented", you can present content that users can interact with, but I don't think you can actually present the action itself

Yea, I wasn’t happy with that, but I was trying to keep fairly close to the process definition we have. User actions are the things done as part of a process… still thinking about that.


- "presented separately": this can mean a number of things. Form controls in a fieldset can be said to be "presented separately", but that doesn't seem to be the intended meaning

When we discussed it on a call, the main thing was that you had to navigate between steps. That doesn’t mean just page by page, but we wanted to include accordion type forms as well.

How about:
“Step a in a process: a set of user-interface controls to achieve particular user-actions, where navigation is required to reach another set of user-interface controls in the same process"

Cheers,

-Alastair