Re: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD

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Op vr 17 apr. 2020 om 01:35 schreef Nicaise Dogbo (CELA) <
nidogbo@microsoft.com>:

> Got it!
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> Thanks.
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> ND
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> *From:* Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 4:04 PM
> *To:* Nicaise Dogbo (CELA) <nidogbo@microsoft.com>; Andrew Kirkpatrick <
> akirkpat@adobe.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD
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> For the most part, yes.  I’ve learned recently that if we have a survey
> which contains a “pre-mature” deadline date, this can cause a lot of
> process problems and participation problems.  If we have a survey with a
> deadline date past other milestone dates, that date has no impact on our
> processes.
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> Regards,
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> Chuck
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> *From:* Nicaise Dogbo (CELA) <nidogbo@microsoft.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 4:09 PM
> *To:* Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>; Chuck Adams <
> charles.adams@oracle.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD
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> OK, so if I understand correctly, the deadline 4/20/2020 for the CFC
> supersedes the questionnaire deadline 4/28/2020. In other words, if there’s
> consensus by 4/20/2020, then that’s it, right?
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> I already cast my vote, so not concerned about that, but want to
> understand the difference between the two.
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> So thanks for helping me understand.
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> Thx,
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> ND
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> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 2:18 PM
> *To:* Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>; Nicaise Dogbo (CELA) <
> nidogbo@microsoft.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD
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> As a former survey-maker, the survey close date was meaningless. We made
> decisions on calls and in CFC’s and don’t recall ever closing the survey as
> a deadline for comment.
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> Thanks,
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> AWK
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> Andrew Kirkpatrick
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> Head of Accessibility
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> Adobe
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> akirkpat@adobe.com
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> *From: *Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com> on behalf of Chuck Adams <
> charles.adams@oracle.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:05 PM
> *To: *"Nicaise Dogbo (CELA)" <nidogbo@microsoft.com>, WCAG <
> w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD
> *Resent-From: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:05 PM
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> I’m new to the group, here is my understanding of why there is a
> discrepancy.  Other more experienced chairs or former chairs can correct me.
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> We want to keep the survey open through the day of the due date we
> advertise (such as 10am of Tuesday of some calendar date).  I think what
> happens with our current survey tool is that the survey closes at the
> midnight of the date selected, such that if we were to select Tuesday of
> some calendar date, the survey would close at the morning midnight instance
> of that selected date, and that the survey would not be available for the
> remainder of the day to answer.  AND/OR the question becomes “for which
> time zone”, as we frequently have individual participating in the exact
> same call but a day ahead of other members in the same call.
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> Given that we have many members (including myself) who like the ability to
> answer surveys at the last minute, we must make a selection of SOME date
> which comes after our desired closed date, in order to ensure that we don’t
> get premature closure of the survey, and accidently exclude members who are
> in different time zones and may be a calendar day ahead.
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> I’m new to survey construction, but my intent is to pick a closure day
> well past our desired date to ensure that I don’t exclude members who are
> as far from the time zone of the survey tool, and may want the ability to
> answer at the last minute.
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> Regards,
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> Charles Adams
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> *From:* Nicaise Dogbo (CELA) <nidogbo@microsoft.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 2:23 PM
> *To:* Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD
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> Hi,
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> Can someone please explain the difference between the two deadline dates
> of 4/28/2020 for the questionnaire and this CFC date of 4/20/2020?
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> Sorry I am a bit confused J
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> Thx,
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> Nd
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> *From:* Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2020 2:16 PM
> *To:* w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD
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> Call For Consensus – ends Monday April 20th at 9am Boston time.
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> The Working Group has discussed the draft Conformance Challenges Note.
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> The version that would be published can be viewed here:
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> https://w3c.github.io/wcag/conformance-challenges/
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> NB: The reference to draft “specification” will be changed to “note” prior
> to publication.
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> The Pull Request in github shows the changes since the last review:
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> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/1109
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> This was discussed via surveys:
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> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Conformance-Challenges-FPWD3/
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> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Conformance-Challenges-FPWD2/
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> And the minutes from the last call are here:
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> https://www.w3.org/2020/04/14-ag-minutes.html
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> If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not
> been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you "not
> being able to live with" this decision, please let the group know before
> the CfC deadline.
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> Kind regards,
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> Charles Adams
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