RE: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD

For the most part, yes.  I’ve learned recently that if we have a survey which contains a “pre-mature” deadline date, this can cause a lot of process problems and participation problems.  If we have a survey with a deadline date past other milestone dates, that date has no impact on our processes.

 

Regards,

Chuck

 

 

From: Nicaise Dogbo (CELA) <nidogbo@microsoft.com> 
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 4:09 PM
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>; Chuck Adams <charles.adams@oracle.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD

 

OK, so if I understand correctly, the deadline 4/20/2020 for the CFC supersedes the questionnaire deadline 4/28/2020. In other words, if there’s consensus by 4/20/2020, then that’s it, right?

I already cast my vote, so not concerned about that, but want to understand the difference between the two.

So thanks for helping me understand.

 

Thx,

 

ND

 

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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD

 

As a former survey-maker, the survey close date was meaningless. We made decisions on calls and in CFC’s and don’t recall ever closing the survey as a deadline for comment.

 

Thanks,

AWK

 

Andrew Kirkpatrick

Head of Accessibility

Adobe 

 

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From: Chuck Adams <HYPERLINK "mailto:charles.adams@oracle.com"charles.adams@oracle.com> on behalf of Chuck Adams <HYPERLINK "mailto:charles.adams@oracle.com"charles.adams@oracle.com>
Date: Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:05 PM
To: "Nicaise Dogbo (CELA)" <HYPERLINK "mailto:nidogbo@microsoft.com"nidogbo@microsoft.com>, WCAG <HYPERLINK "mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org"w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD
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Resent-Date: Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:05 PM

 

I’m new to the group, here is my understanding of why there is a discrepancy.  Other more experienced chairs or former chairs can correct me.

 

We want to keep the survey open through the day of the due date we advertise (such as 10am of Tuesday of some calendar date).  I think what happens with our current survey tool is that the survey closes at the midnight of the date selected, such that if we were to select Tuesday of some calendar date, the survey would close at the morning midnight instance of that selected date, and that the survey would not be available for the remainder of the day to answer.  AND/OR the question becomes “for which time zone”, as we frequently have individual participating in the exact same call but a day ahead of other members in the same call.

 

Given that we have many members (including myself) who like the ability to answer surveys at the last minute, we must make a selection of SOME date which comes after our desired closed date, in order to ensure that we don’t get premature closure of the survey, and accidently exclude members who are in different time zones and may be a calendar day ahead.

 

I’m new to survey construction, but my intent is to pick a closure day well past our desired date to ensure that I don’t exclude members who are as far from the time zone of the survey tool, and may want the ability to answer at the last minute.

 

Regards,

Charles Adams

 

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Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD

 

Hi,

 

Can someone please explain the difference between the two deadline dates of 4/28/2020 for the questionnaire and this CFC date of 4/20/2020?

Sorry I am a bit confused J

 

Thx,

 

Nd

 

 

From: Chuck Adams <HYPERLINK "mailto:charles.adams@oracle.com"charles.adams@oracle.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 2:16 PM
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org"w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Approve Conformance Challenges for FPWD

 

Call For Consensus – ends Monday April 20th at 9am Boston time.

 

The Working Group has discussed the draft Conformance Challenges Note.

 

The version that would be published can be viewed here:

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NB: The reference to draft “specification” will be changed to “note” prior to publication.

 

The Pull Request in github shows the changes since the last review:

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This was discussed via surveys:

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And the minutes from the last call are here:

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If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you "not being able to live with" this decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline.

 

Kind regards,

Charles Adams