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Re: WCAG 2.2 COGA SC Persistent Labels Ready For Review Edits

From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:31:07 -0500
Message-ID: <CAAdDpDa00X-Ke=suhZe4oTu=gFRBoShKkZX3xkdJmJnc4TVDNQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Cc: David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com>, EA Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "lwatson@tetralogical.com" <lwatson@tetralogical.com>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
Hi Alastair

Ohh...  I thought the persistent label idea was scoped for a stepped based
process.

Sure we can separate them out... then I'd probably reword the proposal for
persistent labels to something like this

         A mechanism is available to visually display labels or
instructions for all instances of a user interface component that
collects information
from the user.

Regarding

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On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 5:06 AM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
wrote:

> Hi David (F),
>
>
>
> I think it was just that the old text is still at the top, labelled “Text
> aimed at WCAG 2.2”, so people took that as the intended text.
>
>
>
> When we go through an iteration and agree a change, it helps to remove
> that and just present the latest text. (Maybe putting the old version in a
> section at the bottom under an ‘archive’ heading or something.)
>
>
>
> David M – I think the scoping is odd when they are combined, as part of it
> is for multi-step processes, and the label part is per-label.
>
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>
> I think the preferred persistent-label text from TPAC was:
>
> *Persistent labels:* Inputs with labels or instructions display the
> labels or instructions at all times.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> -Alastair
>
>
>
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> *From:* David Fazio
>
>
>
> Thanks, David. I do like your more polished version. Question though: are
> you suggesting we include both information in steps and persistent labels
> all in one SC?  Or should we keep them separate?
>
> This message was Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typographic
> errors.
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:57 AM, EA Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Thank you so much David and I liked the breakdown of the main points.
>
>
>
> Here is a paper that might be useful for the coga group as it mentions
> forms
>
> "Web Page Design Recommendations for People with Down Syndrome Based on
> Users’ Experiences" (Oct 2018)
>
> https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8220/18/11/4047
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> E.A.
>
>
>
> Mrs E.A. Draffan
>
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>
> *From:* David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca
> <david100@sympatico.ca>]
> *Sent:* 13 November 2019 17:44
> *To:* David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com>
> *Cc:* EA Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>; lwatson@tetralogical.com;
> w3c-wai-gl@w3.org; public-cognitive-a11y-tf <
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> *Subject:* Re: WCAG 2.2 COGA SC Persistent Labels Ready For Review Edits
>
>
>
> Hi All
>
>
>
> In the Google doc I made an attempt at writing the SC using WCAG defined
> terms, including the "Conformance Requirement #3 on "steps in a process".
> Here it is below for convenience.
>
>
>
> For user interface components
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2FWCAG21%2F%23dfn-user-interface-components&data=01%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C00ea83431edb4468b77d08d76861132a%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=7%2B6oNFxLdvRO3J0nQrM7SmyCKc60Rr7ggQFUDyiQ1j8%3D&reserved=0>
> that collect information from the user, and which are part of a process
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2FWCAG21%2F%23dfn-processes&data=01%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C00ea83431edb4468b77d08d76861132a%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=G6bg0yQNk6MIpi0MyYJrbFLbLK7nHepkpykS4tDw2%2Fc%3D&reserved=0>
> (i.e., a sequence of steps that need to be completed in order to accomplish
> an activity), the following are true:
>
>    1. Information entered by the user remains available to the user
>    throughout the entire process.
>    2. Subsequent instances of completed fields are auto-populated, unless
>    re-entry is essential
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>    .
>    3. Labels or instructions are available throughout the process.
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> Cheers,
> David MacDonald
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> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 3:55 PM David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com> wrote:
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> Oops. I didn't attach the doc earlier. Here it is
>
> On 11/11/19, 12:54 PM, "David Fazio" <dfazio@helixopp.com> wrote:
>
>     Attached is a Word Doc draft of proposed COGA success criteria
> Persistent Labels. It begins on page 8 of the Word Doc. As with Information
> In Steps, I kept everything in one document so everyone could see the
> evolution of the split. If you want to review, and edit, via Google Docs it
> begins on page 9. You can access the draft at this link:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e46eqQnVYqdSyqo29pyJoY1QynRH9v95YW8soTTbfsU/edit?ts=5d846669
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> .
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>     All comments, and recommendations are welcome.
>
>
>     On 11/10/19, 12:37 PM, "David Fazio" <dfazio@helixopp.com> wrote:
>
>         Thank you for the review, and edits, EA. I just implemented them.
> Information in Steps should be ready to go. I will finish up Persistent
> Labels later today, and send it out in the same document
>
>         On 11/5/19, 5:47 AM, "EA Draffan" <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>             Thanks so much David and I am returning the document with a
> few queries and I have to admit that I found the alternative easier to
> understand.
>             That is
>             "Information provided to or obtained from a user in a
> multi-step process does not need to be re-entered in a subsequent step
> unless re-entry is essential [or required to ensure the security of the
> content)"
>
>             Best wishes
>             E.A.
>
>             Mrs E.A. Draffan
>             WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton
>             Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103
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>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: David Fazio [mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com]
>             Sent: 03 November 2019 21:26
>             To: lwatson@tetralogical.com; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org;
> public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
>             Subject: Re: WCAG 2.2 COGA SC Information in Steps Ready For
> Review Edits
>
>             For everyone that prefers to review this S.C. in a word doc, I
> made some edits to the Understanding Document online. Here is the revised
> Word Doc.
>
>             On 11/3/19, 12:04 PM, "David Fazio" <dfazio@helixopp.com>
> wrote:
>
>                 Sure thing. I've attached the word doc
>
>                 On 11/3/19, 11:56 AM, "Léonie Watson" <
> lwatson@tetralogical.com> wrote:
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