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RE: WCAG 2.2 COGA SC Persistent Labels Ready For Review Edits

From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:06:18 +0000
To: David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com>, EA Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
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Hi David (F),

I think it was just that the old text is still at the top, labelled “Text aimed at WCAG 2.2”, so people took that as the intended text.

When we go through an iteration and agree a change, it helps to remove that and just present the latest text. (Maybe putting the old version in a section at the bottom under an ‘archive’ heading or something.)

David M – I think the scoping is odd when they are combined, as part of it is for multi-step processes, and the label part is per-label.

I think the preferred persistent-label text from TPAC was:
Persistent labels: Inputs with labels or instructions display the labels or instructions at all times.



From: David Fazio

Thanks, David. I do like your more polished version. Question though: are you suggesting we include both information in steps and persistent labels all in one SC?  Or should we keep them separate?
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On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:57 AM, EA Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>> wrote:
Thank you so much David and I liked the breakdown of the main points.

Here is a paper that might be useful for the coga group as it mentions forms
"Web Page Design Recommendations for People with Down Syndrome Based on Users’ Experiences" (Oct 2018)

Best wishes

Mrs E.A. Draffan
WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton
Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103

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Subject: Re: WCAG 2.2 COGA SC Persistent Labels Ready For Review Edits

Hi All

In the Google doc I made an attempt at writing the SC using WCAG defined terms, including the "Conformance Requirement #3 on "steps in a process". Here it is below for convenience.

For user interface components<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2FWCAG21%2F%23dfn-user-interface-components&data=01%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C00ea83431edb4468b77d08d76861132a%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=7%2B6oNFxLdvRO3J0nQrM7SmyCKc60Rr7ggQFUDyiQ1j8%3D&reserved=0> that collect information from the user, and which are part of a process<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2FWCAG21%2F%23dfn-processes&data=01%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C00ea83431edb4468b77d08d76861132a%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=G6bg0yQNk6MIpi0MyYJrbFLbLK7nHepkpykS4tDw2%2Fc%3D&reserved=0> (i.e., a sequence of steps that need to be completed in order to accomplish an activity), the following are true:

  1.  Information entered by the user remains available to the user throughout the entire process.
  2.  Subsequent instances of completed fields are auto-populated, unless re-entry is essential<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2FWCAG21%2F%23dfn-essential&data=01%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C00ea83431edb4468b77d08d76861132a%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=CEt0DzaQUyRe5Fkfvv0rNdSQ73XvmFhP%2FvjTM5OyJJI%3D&reserved=0>.
  3.  Labels or instructions are available throughout the process.

David MacDonald

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On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 3:55 PM David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com<mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com>> wrote:
Oops. I didn't attach the doc earlier. Here it is

On 11/11/19, 12:54 PM, "David Fazio" <dfazio@helixopp.com<mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com>> wrote:

    Attached is a Word Doc draft of proposed COGA success criteria Persistent Labels. It begins on page 8 of the Word Doc. As with Information In Steps, I kept everything in one document so everyone could see the evolution of the split. If you want to review, and edit, via Google Docs it begins on page 9. You can access the draft at this link:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e46eqQnVYqdSyqo29pyJoY1QynRH9v95YW8soTTbfsU/edit?ts=5d846669<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1e46eqQnVYqdSyqo29pyJoY1QynRH9v95YW8soTTbfsU%2Fedit%3Fts%3D5d846669&data=01%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C00ea83431edb4468b77d08d76861132a%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=nBZjhjhDEL4Nuq0VzRW3Vdigbt4IbeAcAef7vEKva%2Bo%3D&reserved=0>.

    All comments, and recommendations are welcome.

    On 11/10/19, 12:37 PM, "David Fazio" <dfazio@helixopp.com<mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com>> wrote:

        Thank you for the review, and edits, EA. I just implemented them. Information in Steps should be ready to go. I will finish up Persistent Labels later today, and send it out in the same document

        On 11/5/19, 5:47 AM, "EA Draffan" <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>> wrote:

            Thanks so much David and I am returning the document with a few queries and I have to admit that I found the alternative easier to understand.
            That is
            "Information provided to or obtained from a user in a multi-step process does not need to be re-entered in a subsequent step unless re-entry is essential [or required to ensure the security of the content)"

            Best wishes

            Mrs E.A. Draffan
            WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton
            Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103

            -----Original Message-----
            From: David Fazio [mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com<mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com>]
            Sent: 03 November 2019 21:26
            To: lwatson@tetralogical.com<mailto:lwatson@tetralogical.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org<mailto:public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>>
            Subject: Re: WCAG 2.2 COGA SC Information in Steps Ready For Review Edits

            For everyone that prefers to review this S.C. in a word doc, I made some edits to the Understanding Document online. Here is the revised Word Doc.

            On 11/3/19, 12:04 PM, "David Fazio" <dfazio@helixopp.com<mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com>> wrote:

                Sure thing. I've attached the word doc

                On 11/3/19, 11:56 AM, "Léonie Watson" <lwatson@tetralogical.com<mailto:lwatson@tetralogical.com>> wrote:

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