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RE: Crowd Source Request: Examples of pre in pages you use.

From: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 01:25:42 +0000
To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>
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While I am not an expert on this either – I believe for a 3 line Haiku it is the line breaks that matter and thus br would be sufficient.  However, there clearly are other poems such as Buffalo Bill’s by E E Cummings where the spacing matter to the artistic prose.


I was hoping that we might be able to gain some insight from the BANA braille rules but they aren’t as useful as I’d hope.


There are also single line and single word Haikus….


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Subject: Re: Crowd Source Request: Examples of pre in pages you use.

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Hi Patrick,

I'm not a Poly Lit Major, but I believe the formatting of both of those examples is in fact important; certainly the Haiku, which is specifically defined as 3 lines with the 5,7,5 syllable construct. Wrapping (for example) the middle line would certainly break that construct, and it would no longer be a Haiku...

I also quoted the specific pattern of the Robert Service poem, where the 4-line pattern is also an important literary construct; I can't comment on *how* important, but I do know there is some importance attached. Any academics out there who could weigh in?


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On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 6:07 PM Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk<mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk> wrote:
On 30/01/2019 23:42, John Foliot wrote:
> Two examples when formatted text is important (if not critical):
> Haiku: (a traditional form of Japanese poetry. Haiku poems consist of 3
> lines. The first and last lines of a Haiku have 5 syllables and the
> middle line has 7 syllables. The lines rarely rhyme.)
>     The summer river:
>     although there is a bridge, my horse
>     goes through the water.
> Example of a Robert Service
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Service> poem
> <https://mypoeticside.com/show-classic-poem-26688>: (This poem follows a
> regular pattern of four-line stanzas composed of two rhyming couplets.)
>     On a Christmas Day we were mushing our way over the Dawson trail.
>     Talk of your cold! through the parka's fold it stabbed like a driven
>     nail.
>     If our eyes we'd close, then the lashes froze till sometimes we
>     couldn't see;
>     It wasn't much fun, but the only one to whimper was Sam McGee.
> In these examples, the formatting of the text also conveys the
> Pentameter <https://literarydevices.net/pentameter/>of the rhymes/poems.
> Conveying this literary device is wholly dependent on the formatting of
> the text:

Is it the formatting here, or is it just the line breaks that are
important? And is a haiku not semantically better marked up not with a
<pre> element, but rather with something like a humble <p> with
appropriate (and meaningful) <br> line breaks?

Patrick H. Lauke

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