- From: Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk>
- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:15:10 +0000
- To: "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
-1 to both, for the same reasons Patrick cites. The intent of the SC is a good one, but it's suffering from "death by a thousand papercuts". In other words, numerous tiny changes, each inconsequential on its own, but with the cumulative effect of undermining the SC entirely. On 18/01/2018 10:42, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > As I've been reminded before that it's not possible to give "conditional > +1s"... > > -1 to both. > > I cannot live with either option 1 nor 2. > > In particular, the numbers now seem rather arbitrarily put together. > It's unclear why 44x44 and 26x26 + 8 spacing / 28x28 + 8 spacing are > used - when giving hard values for a pass/fail, it should be crystal > clear where they came from (and the fact these measures don't seem to > match/add up is a huge red flag that either one set or the other has > been chosen arbitrarily). > > Option 1 also still normatively defines a paticular viewport width, > which as discussed at length here already is just the completely wrong > thing to define. Fun fact: if this were normative right now, you'd have > exempted some touchscreen devices already like the iPad Pro, and this is > only bound to get worse as devices and their viewport sizes change and > evolve. > > And further, my varying queries (which, though I'm biased, I'd say are > pretty valid) about what actually constitutes "modified by the author" > seem to be continuously ignored (both in mailing list, and in github > issues). > > P > > On 18/01/2018 04:28, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote: >> Call For Consensus — ends Friday January 19th at 11:30pm Boston time. >> >> The Working Group has discussed a change to the Target Size SC in >> response to public comments. >> >> *The proposed SC text (Option 1):* >> >> The size of the target for pointer inputs is at least 44 by 44 CSS >> pixels or is at least 26 by 26 CSS pixels with 8 CSS pixels spacing >> between targets except when: >> >> * Equivalent - The target is available through an equivalent link or >> control on the same page that is at least 44 by 44 CSS pixels pixels >> or is at least 28 by 28 CSS pixels with 8 CSS pixels spacing between >> targets; >> * Inline- The target is in a sentence or block of text; >> * User Agent Control - The size of the target is determined by the >> user agent and is not modified by the author. >> * Essential - A particular presentation of the target is essential to >> the information being conveyed >> * Viewport size: The viewport size has a length (height or width) of >> at least 1000 CSS pixels. >> >> *The proposed SC text (Option 2) – this is identical to option 1 but >> removes the exception for viewport size.* >> >> The size of the target for pointer inputs is at least 44 by 44 CSS >> pixels or is at least 26 by 26 CSS pixels with 8 CSS pixels spacing >> between targets except when: >> >> * Equivalent - The target is available through an equivalent link or >> control on the same page that is at least 44 by 44 CSS pixels pixels >> or is at least 28 by 28 CSS pixels with 8 CSS pixels spacing between >> targets; >> * Inline- The target is in a sentence or block of text; >> * User Agent Control - The size of the target is determined by the >> user agent and is not modified by the author. >> * Essential - A particular presentation of the target is essential to >> the information being conveyed >> >> Please indicate if you can: >> >> Live with option 1 and not option 2 >> >> Live with option 2 and not option 1 >> >> Live with option 1 or option 2, but prefer option 1 >> >> Live with option 1 or option 2, but prefer option 2 >> >> Cannot live with either option 1 or 2 >> >> Thanks, >> >> AWK >> >> Andrew Kirkpatrick >> >> Group Product Manager, Accessibility >> >> Adobe >> >> akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> >> >> http://twitter.com/awkawk >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fawkawk&data=02%7C01%7C%7C54093524ef264326424008d51cd66c05%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446629619786436&sdata=c5UP0xiniJIppvd6Esu1XA%2FbX1ykpABkhgCCmBp%2Fht8%3D&reserved=0> >> >> > > -- @LeonieWatson @tink@toot.cafe Carpe diem
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