Re: Objection Re: CFC - Response to Issue 520

OK, so that seems to be exactly what I have been doing except that I haven’t been providing the issue title in words.

I will make an effort to do add the title, but do not believe that asking Working Group members to follow a link to view the original issue and be able to view the text title of that issue is creating an substantial barrier.

For the actual text of the proposal, I am providing a link directly to that proposal text, and to avoid possible copy/paste issues I will not attempt to copy that into the email but instead will provide a direct link.

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility
Adobe

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From: "lisa.seeman@zoho.com" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 11:19
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Cc: Joshue O Connor - InterAccess <josh@interaccess.ie>, "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Objection Re: CFC - Response to Issue 520

something like the following:

Summary line:
CFC — ends Thursday January 9th - re: issue 520 "No relevant accessibility measures for people with intellectual and learning disabilities  " (The issue title in words!)

Body text:

Call For Consensus (CFC) — ends Thursday January 9th at 5pm Boston time.

We have a response to issue 520 "No relevant accessibility measures for people with intellectual and learning disabilities  "<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag21%2Fissues%2F520&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C2da0f32878cf439895e108d55b6a9398%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636515435661407918&sdata=qELM25Q%2FhL%2B3AzHGPdRcCyaB21mIxh6%2B3OTEQ72X2%2F4%3D&reserved=0> ([put the title/label of the SC here or if it is a general comment )

The proposed response is " ........[put actual text  of the response hear]............"

You can read the discussion at : [link to minuets]
And see the survey at : [link to survey]

All the best

Lisa Seeman

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---- On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 17:52:52 +0200 Andrew Kirkpatrick<akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote ----
Lisa,
If you can provide a specific example of what you would like to see I can try to address that in future CFC’s, but we’ve been doing the CFC’s like this for many months…

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility
Adobe

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From: "lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>>
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 10:43
To: Joshue O Connor - InterAccess <josh@interaccess.ie<mailto:josh@interaccess.ie>>
Cc: "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org<mailto:jjwhite@ets.org>>, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Objection Re: CFC - Response to Issue 520

Unfortunately the wording of the CFC's violate many of the proposed CS that COGA proposed, making it the CFC's impossible for many COGA members to follow.
Please note this as an objection to all cfc's that are worded this way. Alternatively I can write an objection for each one.

All the best

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---- On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:30:24 +0200 Joshue O Connor - InterAccess<josh@interaccess.ie<mailto:josh@interaccess.ie>> wrote ----
Also +1 to Andrews response.

Thanks

Josh

White, Jason J wrote:
+1 to Andrew’s response, and note that the objection appears to be to the process (which I agree with Andrew offered adequate opportunity to all participants in the working group to respond), and not to the substance of the decision made in the CfC.

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 2:33 PM
To: lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com><mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>; W3c-Wai-Gl-Request@W3. Org <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org><mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Objection Re: CFC - Response to Issue 520

Lisa,
We reviewed a different response a number of meetings ago and asked for people to offer improvements and received none.  As we approached the comment deadline, we tried new language and discussed it on a call and although it was close the group had some changes to suggest. Changes were made, it was sent to the list to get a sense of whether people were happy with it, and then I sent out the CFC. >48 hours later I concluded the CFC.

For reference, all CFC’s start with “CFC –“ and the starting and ending messages are from a chair and have the “high priority” flag on the email.

Regarding a note about passing the CFC with no review or input from COGA, I respectfully disagree. The COGA TF is part of the AGWG and has every opportunity to review and weigh in on CFC’s.

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility
Adobe

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From: "lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>>
Date: Friday, January 12, 2018 at 03:14
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: Objection Re: CFC - Response to Issue 520

I appolgise for being outside the deadline but I object to his CFC.


Can we have at least a minimum text label added to CFCs so that people can track what CFCs they have reviewed and identify which h are relavent. This is especially important for CFC s related to coga and CFCs are being passed in huge numbers , some about COGA,  without being sure if anyone from coga has been able to review them, and no agreement from COGA recorded.

Please add to the objection the following note: This CFC was passed with no input or review from COGA


All the best

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---- On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:15:55 +0200 akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote ----

AGWG’ers,

As we have received only positive feedback leading up to this CfC and no responses indicating that group members could not live this this decision, this CfC is agreed on as a consensus opinion of the working group.

This decision will be recorded at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FGL%2Fwiki%2FDecisions&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1ab6006ec2be48e88f9008d4a210961e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636311639507586899&sdata=IafGoKjeQf7zBqxVj8m380hh8%2BWgU1VfPa2tZjq0Bx8%3D&reserved=0


Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility
Adobe

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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 16:57
To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: CFC - Response to Issue 520
Resent-From: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Resent-Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 16:55

Call For Consensus — ends Thursday January 9th at 5pm Boston time.

The Working Group has discussed a response to issue 520 (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag21%2Fissues%2F520&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C927161769a37403185fa08d559947835%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636513416563607262&sdata=jl8EIs%2F933FoUZ4pHNjlHn5vl7nuZFeNxkDGyA71zuc%3D&reserved=0).

The specific response is at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FGL%2Fwiki%2FDraft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues%23520&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C927161769a37403185fa08d559947835%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636513416563607262&sdata=cas7X41ysZTX8UTfRjDiBJ5JzQ25RakNxejcjfnt6U8%3D&reserved=0, and it was surveyed at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2002%2F09%2Fwbs%2F35422%2Fresolvingissues3%2Fresults%23xq2&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C927161769a37403185fa08d559947835%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636513416563607262&sdata=2cHrIl6u%2BBI9jWmfN5e%2BPJ2aKD7yaFcgRmxqhVFoAKM%3D&reserved=0.


The response was discussed on the call (minutes: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2018%2F01%2F09-ag-minutes.html%23item03&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C927161769a37403185fa08d559947835%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636513416563607262&sdata=zmWkPkROd%2BO9Ia1o7t6kuCRpOCRK%2B3sLK9kDHitwFk4%3D&reserved=0) and with follow-up discussion on the list (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fw3c-wai-gl%2F2018JanMar%2F0166.html&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C927161769a37403185fa08d559947835%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636513416563607262&sdata=4srZz%2BkuT%2BkvB1mG7A%2BnZhQUApIU8pqSmbVnZYaTU1w%3D&reserved=0).

If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline.

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility
Adobe

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