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Re: WCAG-ACTION-341: Write a new definition for "new" for https://www.w3.org/tr/wcag21/#commonpurposes

From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:55:34 -0600
Message-ID: <CAKdCpxx7MDg+KiA8GixqEACTeVPpm9bU-KAH+p1G1imuC_dagg@mail.gmail.com>
To: "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>
Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, Accessibility Guidelines Working Group <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Andrew asked:

> What do the existing metadata for purposes (e.g. schema.org) do for this
situation?

I've mapped the three concepts to schema.org ontology here:

   - Compose:  http://schema.org/WriteAction - The act of authoring written
   creative content.
   - Edit: http://schema.org/UpdateAction - The act of managing by
   changing/editing the state of the object.
   - New: http://schema.org/CreateAction - The act of deliberately
   creating/producing/generating/building a result out of the agent.

...so we *can* express the nuanced difference between the 3 using that
ontology at least. Remember that Compose is not the same as create, as it
is limited to written content - a.k.a. WriteAction. However, 'New' (a.k.a.
CreateAction) is more general, and you can 'create' anything (including a
New email), but also a new photo or graphic file.

Meanwhile, Jason wrote:

> we don’t specify that there must be a one-to-one mapping of concepts on
the list to terms in a formal vocabulary, and nor, I think, should we
impose such a restriction.

Oh, a HUGE +1 to that.

JF

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 3:14 PM, White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote:

> If multiple concepts drawn from the list can be applicable to a single UI
> component (and we currently don’t create an expectation either way), then I
> agree that a combination of “new” and “edit” would serve the purpose here.
> The metadata format may map this to a single concept or allow specification
> of multiple terms – we don’t specify that there must be a one-to-one
> mapping of concepts on the list to terms in a formal vocabulary, and nor, I
> think, should we impose such a restriction.
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> From this standpoint, a suitable definition of “new” is sufficient, and
> clarification of how the list ought to be used in the introduction to the
> appendix may be desirable.
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> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2018 3:54 PM
> *To:* White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>; John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>;
> Accessibility Guidelines Working Group <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: WCAG-ACTION-341: Write a new definition for "new" for
> https://www.w3.org/tr/wcag21/#commonpurposes
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> Based on this, it would seem to be correct to mark a button to start a new
> email or online document as either “new” or “compose”. I don’t think that
> is going to be helpful.
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> I think that compose sounds like a combination of “new” and “edit”.  What
> do the existing metadata for purposes (e.g. schema.org) do for this
> situation?
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> Thanks,
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> AWK
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> Andrew Kirkpatrick
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> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
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> Adobe
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> http://twitter.com/awkawk
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> *From: *"White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>
> *Date: *Friday, January 5, 2018 at 15:21
> *To: *John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *RE: WCAG-ACTION-341: Write a new definition for "new" for
> https://www.w3.org/tr/wcag21/#commonpurposes
> *Resent-From: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Friday, January 5, 2018 at 15:19
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> *From:* John Foliot [mailto:john.foliot@deque.com <john.foliot@deque.com>]
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> *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2018 2:47 PM
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> Per my Action item, I would like to propose the following new definition
> for the term "New" (and modified definition for the term "Compose"):
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>    - New: Create a new item (e.g. an email, online document, etc.)
>    - Compose: Start the process of creating new editorial content by the
>    user (e.g. compose an email, blog post, online document, etc.)
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> *[Jason] Compose: create and start the process of editing a new file or
> content item (e.g., an email message, forum post, document, spreadsheet or
> diagram).*
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> Feedback gratefully welcomed.
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> JF
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> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:55 AM, Accessibility Guidelines Working Group
> Issue Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote:
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> John Foliot
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