RE: timeouts

  *   As I understand it, the problem is that multiple notifications creates problems. Another interpretation of this is that there can only be one warning in a process covering a series of pages, but that runs into problems with the conformance model.

It also seems to indicate that a countdown timer would fail.  While I understand this could cause stress timers are needed on some sites.

In other places the timer is reset each time you type something.  So perhaps we could differentiate or allow the user to hide the countdown timer.

Jonathan

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
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Subject: Re: timeouts

As I understand it, the problem is that multiple notifications creates problems. Another interpretation of this is that there can only be one warning in a process covering a series of pages, but that runs into problems with the conformance model.

Thanks,
AWK

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From: Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com<mailto:michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>>
Date: Friday, December 1, 2017 at 12:20
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Subject: Re: timeouts

I read this that if an author notifies a user more than once, the page fails. What is the rationale?

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From:        Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>
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Date:        2017-12-01 07:36 AM
Subject:        Re: timeouts
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For context, at TPAC the language that was nearly agreed to was:

Where data can be lost due to user inactivity, users are warned about the estimated length of inactivity that generates the data loss unless the data is preserved for a minimum of 20 hours of user inactivity.



Lisa is proposing:

Where data can be lost due to user inactivity, users are warned @@once, before an activity timer is set,@@ about the estimated length of inactivity  that generates the data loss, unless the data is preserved for a minimum of 20 hours of user inactivity.



So, the main change is the addition of “once, before an activity timer is set”. I think that we need to acknowledge that the amount of time before the timer is set may be measured in milliseconds, but it is at least ahead of time. I’m less sure about the “once” part but can live with it.



Thanks,

AWK



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+1



On Friday, December 1, 2017 8:47 AM, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com<mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>> wrote:



+1



JF



On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:00 AM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>> wrote:

The coga task force can live with the following wording for time outs



 Where data can be lost due to user inactivity, users are warned once, before an activity timer is set, about the estimated length of inactivity  that generates the data loss, unless the data is preserved for a minimum of 20 hours of user inactivity.



however we do object to the  change the hours from 20 to 24 , but we would rather it goes in with that change then be left out.

All the best

Lisa Seeman

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