- From: Joshue O Connor <josh@interaccess.ie>
- Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 18:53:08 +0100
- To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- CC: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <59D7C304.4000509@interaccess.ie>
Feel free to iterate it as needed and then it can be returned to the group as a fresh CFC. Thanks Josh David MacDonald wrote: > Should I amend the pull request based on the amendment recommendations > from Jason, John and Steve? > > I think there is general momentum, but just some iteration to get the > wording right. > > Cheers, > David MacDonald > > *Can**Adapt**Solutions Inc.* > > Tel: 613.235.4902 > > LinkedIn > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> > > twitter.com/davidmacd <http://twitter.com/davidmacd> > > GitHub <https://github.com/DavidMacDonald> > > www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> > > / Adapting the web to *all* users/ > > / Including those with disabilities/ > > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy > policy <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Joshue O Connor <josh@interaccess.ie > <mailto:josh@interaccess.ie>> wrote: > > AGWG’ers, > > As we have received some negative feedback leading up to this CfC > and responses indicating that group members could live with a > modified version of this definition - this CfC is not agreed on > as a consensus opinion of the working group. > > This decision will be recorded at > https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Decisions > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FGL%2Fwiki%2FDecisions&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1ab6006ec2be48e88f9008d4a210961e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636311639507586899&sdata=IafGoKjeQf7zBqxVj8m380hh8%2BWgU1VfPa2tZjq0Bx8%3D&reserved=0> > > > Thanks > > Josh > > > > John Foliot wrote: >> -1 >> >> I have serious concerns about this, as the current draft >> definition appears to address non-sighted users, but the draft >> definition appears to also exclude low-vision users using extreme >> magnification (as well as others), when it states: >> >> Notification set by the content which _can be announced_ to >> the user _without virtual or actual focus_ >> >> >> 1. This appears to presume the presence (and requirement) of a >> screen reader or other text-to-speech function ("announced", >> and "Example: a screen reader announces to a user...") [i.e. >> issue with the term "announced"] >> >> 2. The lack of visual or actual focus potentially excludes >> low-vision users who may not be using TTS; it also may have >> an impact on some users with cognition issues who may not >> realize that an action performed in one region of the page >> updates content elsewhere (a requirement of SC 1.3.1: >> "/...//to ensure that information and relationships that are >> implied by visual or auditory formatting are preserved when >> the presentation format changes./") >> >> 3. This definition also appears to potentially condone not >> meeting the requirements of Success Criterion 2.4.7 Focus >> Visible ("Notification set by the content...without virtual >> or actual focus"). Granted, we see shopping-cart updates and >> similar widgets that routinely have this issue, however I am >> concerned about a Definition that appears to accept that as "OK". >> >> 4. It is unclear what the distinction is between "Programmatic >> Notification" and "Programmatically Determinable", which states: >> >> ("./..determined by software from author-supplied >> data provided in a way that different user agents >> <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#dfn-user-agent>, including >> assistive technologies >> <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#dfn-assistive-technology>//, >> can extract and present this information to users in >> different modalities./") >> >> ...except for the fact that the original definition address >> alternative modalities, which the proposed definition does >> not address. >> >> >> To be clear: >> _ >> _ >> *I support the proposed draft SC (3.2.7 Change of Content) >> advancing to WCAG 2.1, this is not the issue. * >> >> However, conceptually linked to this "*Understandable*" SC is the >> additional requirement that any Change of Content *also* needs to >> be "*Perceivable*" to all users as well. The current definition >> of *Programmatic notification *however actively confuses this >> requirement when it suggests that 'notification' would only be >> auditory in nature, and that the lack of visible indication is >> acceptable. >> >> >> JF >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Joshue O Connor >> <josh@interaccess.ie <mailto:josh@interaccess.ie>> wrote: >> >> Call For Consensus — ends Friday October 6th at 1:00pmBoston >> time. >> >> The Working Group has a new proposed definition of >> "Programmatic Notification" as found in the Change of Content >> SC. >> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#change-of-content >> <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#change-of-content> >> >> The DFN text is: >> >> <dfn> >> Programmatic notification. >> >> Notification set by the content which can be announced to the >> user without virtual or actual focus, using methods that are >> supported by user agents, including assistive technologies. >> >> Example: a screen reader announces to a user that their >> shopping cart has been updated after they select an item for >> purchase. >> </dfn> >> >> And can be viewed here: >> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/commit/b5c68e17f82feb0cdbbafc273f245b136a7445c4 >> <https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/commit/b5c68e17f82feb0cdbbafc273f245b136a7445c4> >> >> >> This was discussed on todays call: >> https://www.w3.org/2017/10/03-ag-minutes.html#item09 >> <https://www.w3.org/2017/10/03-ag-minutes.html#item09> >> >> This definition was previously missing from WCAG 2.1 and the >> proposal is to add it. >> >> If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position >> that have not been discussed already and feel that those >> concerns result in you “not being able to live with” this >> decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline. >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Joshue O Connor >> Director | InterAccess.ie >> >> >> >> >> -- >> John Foliot >> Principal Accessibility Strategist >> Deque Systems Inc. >> john.foliot@deque.com <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com> >> >> Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion > > -- > Joshue O Connor > Director | InterAccess.ie > > -- Joshue O Connor Director | InterAccess.ie
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