Re: does anyone currently fail colour contrast for text in timed media

I think the question to ask is this.

Can we  prove there is no way to mess something a given feature up, be it
contrast, or whatever. It is impossible to find failures globally, but if
it can happen it will eventually happen on the web.

Unless we can write a theorem that shows a failure is beyond the reach of
existing technologies (and that is possible for many things), then creative
technologists will find a way to create a failure. They won't do it to be
malicious. They will just innocently exploit a quirk to achieve an effect,
and kill accessibility.

By including SCs we mark such quirky coding as something to do with care.

Wayne


On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
wrote:

> David, I have not failed videos with insufficient contrast.  However, that
> situation and open captions with poor contrast are something I would point
> out as advisory or best practice.
>
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>
> Jonathan
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> *From:* David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:50 AM
> *To:* Glenda Sims; Gregg C Vanderheiden; Jonathan Avila
> *Cc:* Aparna Pasi; WCAG
> *Subject:* Re: does anyone currently fail colour contrast for text in
> timed media
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> Thanks Glenda
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> Hey Gregg, I'll loop you in.
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> Yes, I agree audio description (or transcript) should reflect important
> visual information including text, but I'm thinking about 1.4.3 Colour
> contrast of text in movies ... In this case it's yellow text on the
> whiteboard in an animated movie.
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> Here's my take.
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> 1.4.3 applies to "images of text" which have been "rendered in a non-text
> form *in order to achieve a particular effect* ..."
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> So the glossary is assigning an intention to the creation of the text. The
> author put it in an image because she wanted it in a special font, or a
> special position in relation to a background which might have been hard to
> do with CSS etc... This is not the case for a movie. Authors rarely make
> movies with the intention of achieving a particular text effect.
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> I haven't been watching movies looking for colour contrast failures of
> significant text. I was wondering if any others (Glenda, Jon, John, Gregg,
> etc.) would agree.
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> Cheers,
> David MacDonald
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> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com>
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> Hey David,
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>
> Looking at the glossary term for "image of text" leads me to believe that
> I'd need to watch the video to know for sure.  If the text on the
> blackboard is significant and there is not audio reference to it....then, I
> think I would fail it under 1.2.5 Audio Description (Prerecorded)
>
> *image of text*
>
> text that has been rendered in a non-text form (e.g., an image) in order
> to achieve a particular visual effect
>
> *Note: *This does not include text
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#textdef> that is part of
> a picture that contains significant other visual content.
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> *Example: *A person's name on a nametag in a photograph.
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> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Aparna Pasi <aparna.pasi@deque.com>
> wrote:
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> Hey David,
>
> To be honest, I haven't failed video animation or captions as I haven't
> seen such a scenario.
>
> I believe we should fail them as they are conveying information however,
> success criteria doesn't include anything about timed media.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aparna
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> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:30 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
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> For instance a video an animation of someone in front of a blackboard with
> text on it.
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>
> The definition appears to limit the SC to static images...
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> Thoughts?
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