- From: Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:41:55 +0100 (CET)
- To: acampbell@nomensa.com
- Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Alastair Campbell schrieb am 16.01.2017 12:29:
> Hi Detlev,
>
> As it stands, no, because there is no movement involved that isn’t part of
> ‘normal’ scrolling.
>
> I’m not sure if we /should/ be trying to cover colour changes (without
> movement), that hasn’t come up in the examples of triggering animation, so
> probably not.
I guess it would depend on how disruptive the colour change is - imagine scrolling would start rapid changes that would even qualify as a flicker. We would want to catch this (although this is unlikely to be used unless the designer is bent on irritating users).
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Alastair
>
>
> On 16/01/2017, 11:27, "Detlev Fischer" <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Alastair,
> thanks, I will check out the interview!
>
> As to example 2, you are right of course, but the colour change could quite
> easily be triggered by scrolling as on this site (scroll right to the
> bottom):
> https://www.muenchner-kammerspiele.de/en
> Not as subtle here, but would you fail this according to the draft SC of
> issue 18?
>
>
> > If you’d like to hear from the horse’s mouth (so to speak), I
> recommend
> > this interview:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhnIZh0xwk0
> >
> > I consider this an extension to “Pause, Stop, Hide”, just with a
> different
> > trigger that didn’t really exist when WCAG 2.0 was drafted. I don’t
> have
> > numbers for how many people are affected, but again, if Apple got enough
> > kick-back on iOS7 that they put in a user-setting to prevent animation, it
> is
> > quite a lot!
> >
> > The original idea was that it had to be:
> > - Animation that is triggered by a user action, AND
> > - The animation is not typically associated with the user-action, AND
> > - The animation fills a large part of the screen.
> >
> > That was translated into:
> > “For significant animation triggered by a user action that is not an
> > essential part of the action, there is a mechanism for the user to pause,
> stop
> > or hide the animation whilst still performing the same action.”
>
> The way this is put ("whilst still performing the same action") makes me
> wonder how you would stop it in the middle of the action, i.e. when you
> notice it - an explicit control as in G186 would likely have to be at the
> top to be noticed (and we know that often it won't be noticed even then).
> Interesting to see what techniques we will come up with.
> >
> > Where “Significant animation” was defined as: “Animation which
> continues
> > for more than 1 second, and affects more than 1/3 of the view of the
> > webpage.”
> >
> >
> >> (2) A script changes the background of the page slowly and almost
> >> imperceptively from a light grey to a light greyish mint tone then to a
> pale
> >> tea tint and back to light grey. Contrast to text is always OK. There IS
> an
> >> animation, it affects the entire viewport, but some might not even notice
> it
> >> and few would find it disruptive.
> >
> > This wouldn’t be caught be the SC unless it is triggered by user action,
> that
> > sounds like an automatic feature rather than triggered by the user.
> >
> > Here are some examples, TRIGGER WARNING for people with vestibular
> dis-orders!
> > http://www.masterlock.com/bluetooth (scroll or use the top nav)
> > http://www.world-of-swiss.com/en (scroll)
> > https://recurly.com/ (Scroll about 2/3 of the way down and there is a
> Client
> > stories carousel. Jumpy, hard stop animations are problematic. Easing
> helps a
> > lot.)
> > http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ (scroll, although the ‘dot’ menu on the
> right
> > allows you to bypass the animation, so that should be a consideration.)
> >
> >
> >> Having said that, I fear that any attempt to nail down further criteria
> beyond
> >> 'percentage of viewport affected' will be hard to interpret in testing
> >> (especially as many aspects of moving content will be difficult to
> measure)
> >> and probably miss all sorts of real life instances because they will
> often not
> >> fall neatly under what we meant to capture.
> >
> > Either a third or a half of the viewport would be a good metric for me.
> >
> > Please do watch the interview I linked to at the top, there is something
> import
> > in this requirement, we just need to define it.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > -Alastair
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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