Re: Re[2]: Should we require labels to be always visible?

As my two cents, I would say always required, and beyond helping around
cognitive and low-vision, to situational impairments:

   - If the browser helpfully fills in all fields, with duplicate entries
   in four of them, you have no way of knowing what data really belongs in
   which field.
   - If you start to fill out a form and then the phone rings, diverting
   your attention for an extended period, you won't remember the fields. Even
   if you just have focus in the field, the placeholder falls off.

Beyond that, using placeholder as a label goes against HTML spec
<https://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110525/common-input-element-attributes.html#the-placeholder-attribute>.
I know everyone does it these days, so I always say that the label should
move from inside/over the input to above or next to it, so it remains
visible.

Limited space comes down to a design challenge, not a reason to forgo a
visible label.

-Shawn

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:26 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> I would say it's already a best practice...
>
> Lisa, are those with cognitive disabilities likely to loose track of what
> the field label is, if it disappears after they click on it? Is that a
> common complaint out in the wild about placeholder text for labels?
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> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:15 AM, josh@interaccess.ie <josh@interaccess.ie>
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>> <chair hat off>
>>
>>  >Would it help the cognitive community if the label is always visible.
>>
>> I like the demo David :-)
>>
>> I couldn't see my clients wearing having to do that. On mobile, there are
>> times when screen real estate is so sparse that at best you get an icon and
>> placeholder text.
>>
>> I just  don't think that would fly as a MUST, as best practice maybe. As
>> long as it fits into the look and feel guidelines etc.
>>
>> My 2 cents
>>
>> Josh
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>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Detlev Fischer" <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
>> To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org; david100@sympatico.ca
>> Sent: 06/01/2017 16:03:31
>> Subject: Re: Should we require labels to be always visible?
>>
>> That's one way of doing it, but there will be others. So the requirement
>>> might be EITHER have external visible label OR if using placeholder, show
>>> label next to field after focussing field.
>>> Note that some implementations keep the placeholder text visible even
>>> after focussing (mostly grey text) until you start typing, which I
>>> personally find confusing. Not sure whether some SC (COGA?) or technique
>>> addresses this yet.
>>>
>>> David MacDonald schrieb am 06.01.2017 16:51:
>>>
>>>
>>>>  Most of the sites I evaluate these days seem to have placeholder text
>>>> for labels. An aria-label helps, but the label still disappears on focus or
>>>> on clicking into the field.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Would it help the cognitive community if the label is always visible.
>>>> So for placeholder labels, should we require that the label appears near
>>>> the field when the user clicks or tabs to the field? Like this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  http://davidmacd.com/widgets/floating-label/floating-placeholder1.html
>>>> <http://davidmacd.com/widgets/floating-label/floating-placeholder1.html
>>>> >
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