- From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
- Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 19:20:19 -0500
- To: "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>
- Cc: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAKdCpxzkeU3G6W2afjwLKuARg0UH9q88eUN+QcodzTRLzPeSrA@mail.gmail.com>
Jason wrote: > *For this to change, Web application developers need to be educated in accessible design, and the organizations that employ them need to prioritize accessibility to a much greater extent and on a much larger scale than has occurred so far.* Fair point, and to the issue of educating developers in accessible design (and accessible development techniques) that need couldn't be greater today. One of the reasons why I continue to advocate for a speedier release of relevant and 'ready' Success Criteria in the WCAG 2.x effort is that there are gaps that either we at the W3C will definitively fill, or those gaps will be filled by others, diluting our relevance and claim to being the definitive source for Web Accessibility standards. In my previous posting, I've illustrated concretely (and not just alluded to) the fact that even the US Department of Justice referenced the BBC Mobile Accessibility Guidelines in their settlement agreement with Netflix. If we continue to dawdle down the path at the speed of the US Federal Government, I posit we'll continue to lose our credibility and relevance along the way, supplanted by other more relevant and 'current' guidelines. *This is already happening.* > *If you think this cannot realistically happen without further regulatory intervention around the world (and it’s a very plausible view to hold), then the role of WCAG in policy and legal contexts will need to expand further rather than diminish.* As I previously noted, progress is indeed happening in the USA's commercial sector, despite the fact that "web accessibility" is still not codified into any specific law: rather, the DoJ simply notes that the recognized global standard is the W3C's WCAG (except when it isn't, then it's the BBC mobile standard instead) and armed with that are applying appropriate legal pressure to realize progress. Meanwhile, as Jonathan noted in his post, you have US governmental entities pushing back on even achieving Section 508 compliance, suggesting to me that laws alone are not enough, it is, (once again) enforcement that is more critical today. > *However, I tend to agree with Katie that the regulatory audience is fundamental to WCAG, and that if we don’t satisfy the needs of policy creators as an essential audience, then the benefits won’t be sufficiently large to justify the investment of work required to revise the specification.* This claim is being made, but do we really have any evidence to support that claim? It is worth noting that today in America, there is little legal requirement to be conformant to WCAG 2.0 today - at best we have the DoJ extending their interpretation of the ADA to include WCAG as a measurement metric (and nothing more, at least until such time as the ADA is revised), and the ACAA (Air Carriers Accessibility Act) which uses WCAG as a measurement metric as well, as part of a larger accessibility legislation. I'm not suggesting that policy creators aren't important, but I am also suggesting that *their timeline and agenda should not be our timeline and agenda*: it very much begins to feel like we are no longer a Technical Standards group, but rather an extension and arm of legislative bodies around the globe. And given that, at least in the US, the legislative bodies can't seem to budge beyond 1999 (the date Section 508 was published), AND that the DoJ is simply accepting our international technical standard as the benchmark they are using in determining "accessibility" (and taking legal action against that perspective) it certainly suggests to me that we need to keep regulators informed, and seek their input, but that we should move at *our* pace, and let them catch up to us. However, I have pressed opponents to my perspective to provide proof of their assertions, and so I too need to do the same. Thankfully, Andrew, in the role as co-Chair of this working group, reached out to a number of regulators earlier last month to gather their input. The thread can be found in the archives <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2016OctDec/author.html>, but here's what *I* heard and read: *This discussion started with a message saying [sic] “2 years is too short, 4-5 years is the appropriate length”, but with little factual information to support that conclusion. I’ve heard numerous times that government policy people and people in the legal community are opposed to a faster timeline, but in the conversations I’ve had so far (details to be provided soon) the evidence is to the contrary.* (source: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2016OctDec/0076.html) *The Access Board does not have an opinion on whether a two year routine cycle for releases of 2.x would be a problem. We would have to see a couple iterations. I can only assume our opinion would be much the same as everyone else.* (source: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2016OctDec/0083.html) *Paul * *(Jackson in * *the Government of Canada) **indicated that having better advance notice of what is happening is desirable. Predictability is desirable. It sounded like the main experience that guided that view was that in the Jodan court case where the Government was sued, it was found that the Government was violating human rights even though they were using the current standard (WCAG 1.0) and WCAG 2.0 was just a working draft. If there was a schedule of updates it would allow the government to plan better.* (source: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2016OctDec/0121.html ) *If Conforming to WCAG 2.1/2.2 means conforming to WCAG 2.0 at the same time, I think it'll be okay... If WCAG 2.1 will be "WCAG 2.0 plus some additional SC", we'll be able to manage it. For example, Japanese public websites are encouraged to conform to JIS 2016 (=WCAG 2.0). Some websites might go further by conforming to WCAG 2.1. That's fine.* **(source: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2016OctDec/0120.html )** > *I also note that the issue of how frequently WCAG should be updated will inevitably be re-evaluated at the end of the next charter period (we are not bound by any prospective statements in the currently proposed charter that extend beyond it), and that any further decisions about frequency of updates should be postponed until then.* Agreed, and against my better judgement I conceded to that decision, even though, as I've noted, I feel personally that we've left a giant hole in our process, along with the fact that despite demanding governmental input, we expressly ignored the input from Paul Jackson from Canada (noted above) for a "schedule of updates". It is also worth noting that our draft Charter is currently before the AC for review, and there is no guarantee that what we proposed will be accepted without revision, and so to the question of what we are or are-not bound to in our Charter remains an open question today. If nothing else, I personally have an extremely high expectation that we ship WCAG 2.1 *on time, with no delays* (including delays introduced by legislators taking weeks or months to respond to requests for comment). Failing to meet that deliverable, which is noted in our proposed Charter, will be tantamount to a complete Working Group Failure, and could call into jeopardy the very existence of this Working Group*. This will therefore necessitate that not all proposed SC move forward in the prescribed time frame, and yet we've not explained what will happen to those proposed SC that didn't make the first date/cut, so yes Jason, we've proposed to kick that problem down the road a piece, but we've come nowhere near resolving it. (*I've previously noted what happened to UAAG WG and the near-death experience that EO WG experienced at the last round of Chartering, so I won't continue to belabor the point) JF On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:52 PM, White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote: > > > > > *From:* Jonathan Avila [mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 8, 2016 3:30 PM > > Regarding Katie’s statement – I have seen what she describes. While some > customers are eager to know what is best practices, when it comes to > prioritizing and actually addressing issues many organizations are only > willing to do what is required. > > *[Jason] The extent to which this is true in different countries and > contexts is an interesting matter that may be elucidated if appropriate > questions are asked during the Silver survey process.* > > *It is also relevant to note that despite approximately twenty years of > work to improve Web accessibility, successive studies have shown > overwhelmingly that only a small proportion of Web sites and Web > applications meet accessibility standards. For this to change, Web > application developers need to be educated in accessible design, and the > organizations that employ them need to prioritize accessibility to a much > greater extent and on a much larger scale than has occurred so far. If you > think this cannot realistically happen without further regulatory > intervention around the world (and it’s a very plausible view to hold), > then the role of WCAG in policy and legal contexts will need to expand > further rather than diminish.* > > *The organizations that employ participants in this working group are > exceptional in that they prioritize accessibility to a much greater extent > than appears to be the norm, or, in the case of consulting firms and > disability-related organizations, their mission is to make the Web more > accessible and thereby to promote genuine equality for people with > disabilities.* > > *However, I tend to agree with Katie that the regulatory audience is > fundamental to WCAG, and that if we don’t satisfy the needs of policy > creators as an essential audience, then the benefits won’t be sufficiently > large to justify the investment of work required to revise the > specification.* > > *I also note that the issue of how frequently WCAG should be updated will > inevitably be re-evaluated at the end of the next charter period (we are > not bound by any prospective statements in the currently proposed charter > that extend beyond it), and that any further decisions about frequency of > updates should be postponed until then.* > > > > ------------------------------ > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged or > confidential information. 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