Silver Subgroup minutes of 29 July 2016

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                             Silver Subgroup

29 Jul 2016

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/29-silver-irc

Attendees

    Present
           AWK, jeanne, Sarah, Shawn

    Regrets
    Chair
           jeanne

    Scribe
           Jeanne

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Timelines
          2. [5]Brainstorming docs
      * [6]Summary of Action Items
      * [7]Summary of Resolutions
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Timelines

    Sarah: I interviewed one of the people I took an action item to
    call.
    ... he doesn't know if his leadership will allow him to commit
    the time to this group
    ... He suggested looking at a design sprint for the process. It
    was helpful with the CVAA to have a deadline of when it has to
    be done.
    ... it would be a good idea to set hard dates for this project.

    AWK: Right now, we don't have specific dates -- hard or soft.
    We would like to get hard dates from us. We are working on
    getting broad approval for the 2.1 concept in the charter.
    Writing about our intentions for Silver in broad strokes.

    jeanne: I have an action item to draft charter language for
    Silver.

    AWK: August 15 is our date for sending out the charter. It will
    be a 3-year charter and give us permission to publish 2.1.
    ... it will have an indication that we will be merging topics
    and working on a requirements document for Silver. When we
    recharter, we want a document ready for a FPWD. Then we publish
    FPWD of Silver very quickly.
    ... we have to message Silver carefully so we aren't in a
    situation where we sit for 8 years before an update. We want a
    situtation where we publish a Silver 1.0 then Silver 1.1,
    Silver 2.0, etc.

    Sarah: So does that mean that we won't publish Silver until 3
    years?

    AWK: So if we publish 2.1 in mid-2018 -- halfway through the
    next charter. We might have a new charter and get a FPWD after
    the new charter -- Feb 2020.

    Jeanne: I would like to see us have a line in the charter that
    would allow us to publish before 2020 if the FPWD was ready.

    Sarah: I want us to be more agile.
    ... if we have far-off milestones, then we will get bogged down
    again. I would like to see us have a shorter timeline.
    ... Shawn and I come from a different background that AWK and
    Jeanne. We want to take into accout the constraints we have to
    work in, but we don't want that to be the only constraints to
    consider. We want to push out a bit.
    ... Propose having a charter to publish 2.1 and to publish
    drafts of Silver.

    AWK: We have to be able to convince Judy and the W3C Members
    that this is achivable and needed. We dont' want to create a
    poor quality draft. The challenge is understanding the
    magnitude of the work.

    Sarah: We can look at drafting options for the language of the
    charter.
    ... propose options for the charter language.
    ... from the design review viewpoint. Draft options for the
    charter language.
    ... Jeanne and I will be on the road next week.

    Jeanne: I think we should not meet. Anyone who can, take action
    items based on our work today.

    <scribe> ACTION: jeanne to send an announcement that meeting
    will be cancelled. [recorded in
    [8]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/29-silver-minutes.html#action01]

       [8] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/29-silver-minutes.html#action01]

    Sarah: I talked about the group and the process that we are
    taking. He is not in a position to give the time that is
    needed. We started talking about doing this is sprints, and he
    thought that might be more of a possibility.

    <SarahHorton> Jeanne: Sprints and workshops are effective in
    other W3C activities and working groups

    Sarah: W3C has other groups that use a sprint format in a F2F
    meeting.

Brainstorming docs

    [starting review of Sarah's document and consolidating it with
    ideas from Shawn and Jeanne]

    Sarah: Once we understand the product, the constraints we can
    do the Ideation stage with a number of different ways. It is a
    brainstorming stage with stakeholders.
    ... or the ideation could be done with another subgroup.
    ... or you could do one subgroup phase doing the discovery, and
    another group doing ideation

    Jeanne: Could we do the ideation phase (or a constricted
    version of it) at the WCAG F2F at TPAC?

    Sarah: We might. What might work better to get people who are
    SMEs of WCAG with other people in the room.

    Jeanne: We could do a W3C Workshop where people have to write a
    paper on a topic that we set. It is F2F and designed to work
    out hard problems.

    Sarah: We could get to the end of the ideation phase with 3
    ideas that would be prototyped in the Experimentation phase.

    Jeanne: We could do a 2 day workshop with Ideation as the first
    day and Experimentation in the second day.

    Sarah: Do we want this to be done by TPAC?
    ... the proposal needs to be ready for TPAC, not the actual
    Workshop.
    ... The process is the Design THinking process. I can build it
    out so it is more clear.
    ... within each of the buckets of Discovery, Interpretaion,
    Ideation, Experiementation, Evolution; there are actions that
    we can choose to do in each phase.
    ... we put each of the actions and put it in the framework,
    then we can recommend activiities, prioritize them. Then the
    choice that the Working Group has is to pick the options of how
    we present it in the Framework.
    ... present the options at TPAC.

    Jeanne: we can send out the email for discussion in advance,
    and make the decisions at TPAC.

    Sarah: the document we create on this call will be the a la
    carte menu with all the options. The sub-group can then craft
    the "menus of the day".
    ... An advantage of doing the survey, it gets people engaged
    and let's them feel a part of the process.
    ... there will be expenses of doing this. We don't want to be
    so exclusive that only people who can manage the travel costs
    can participate. We don't want a monetary barrier or filter to
    participation.
    ... we don't want to filter out people who we need to know
    about the most.
    ... we also want to hear from the people who are in
    organizations that don't implement accessibility.

    Jeanne: We need funding for recording, transcripts and
    captions, funding of workshops, support of travel, and
    interviews of PwD for small reimbursement for their time,
    ... we need a zero budget, a good budget and something
    inbetween.
    ... that could be the basis of the options to WCAG WG

    Sarah: that is something we often do in a design research. "If
    you have a budget, you can do this" etc.

    Jeanne: In the Interpretation phase, we should be producing a
    report of the results of the surveys and interviews and a list
    of topics for the workshop.

    <scribe> Meeting: Silver Subgroup

    <scribe> Scribe: Jeanne

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: jeanne to send an announcement that meeting will
    be cancelled. [recorded in
    [9]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/29-silver-minutes.html#action01]

       [9] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/29-silver-minutes.html#action01

Summary of Resolutions

    [End of minutes]
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