- From: Jeanne Spellman <jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 10:01:19 -0400
- To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
- Cc: WCAG WG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
A sub-group of the WCAG working group are discussing options for
updating WCAG 2.0. They have held two meetings to date (minutes are
linked from the wiki below). An open meeting was held at CSUN 2016 for
people who were interested in discussing these options. 25-30 people
attended. These are transcribed minutes from paper notes.
Summary
wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Main_Page/DesigningWCAG2.next
* WCAG 2.0 is 8 yrs old and is showing its age. Technology has changed
and some user needs were not addressed
* Task Forces (mobile, low vision and cognitive) of the WCAG WG were
formed to address these issues.
* The existing plan for WCAG Extensions has ambiguity
* Mobile Accessibility Task Force has identified 4 Guidelines and
associated success criteria. How do we publish it?
* Sites declare conformance to the WCAG version they select: e.g WCAG
2.0, or WCAG 2.1. It is for people who want guidance above and beyond
WCAG 2.0, not to force people to upgrade before they are ready.
* Option: WCAG 2.1 model could be WCAG 2.0 plus the work of Mobile TF.
Then WCAG 2.2 could be WCAG 2.1 plus the work of the next task force ready.
* Option: Another WCAG 2.1 model could be by milestone date: whatever
work (from all the task forces) is ready by a milestone date could be
included in that update (WCAG 2.1, 2.2, etc). How often should these
updates occur? 6 months is too short, 3 years is too long.
* WCAG 3.0 (or whatever name) is a later project that could include ATAG
and UAAG. Planning needs to begin in parallel to Task Force work.
* There is a need to coordinate more between task forces so WCAG WG can
also work on WCAG 3
* There are concerns with timing of announcements and the impact on EU
legislation
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Minutes
Meeting: WCAG.Next Planning
Location: CSUN Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference
Date: 24 March 2016
Chair: John Foliot
Attending includes: John Foliot (WCAG WG member), Katie Harritos-Shea
(WCAG WG member), Judy Brewer (Director, WAI), Kathy Wahlbin
(Co-facilitator of Mobile A11y Task Force (MATF)), Scott ?? (Chase),
Jeanne Spellman (MATF member), Wilco Fiers (Automated WCAG Monitoring
Community Group)
John: What is the Extension? There is ambiguity
... WCAG 2.0 is 8 years old and showing its age
... For example:
* active icons in color contrast
* advances in mobile technology
* needs of low vision users
* needs of cognitive users
... the 3 task forces (mobile, low vision and cognitive) are developing
requirements and Techniques which they are sending to WCAG
... the 3 task forces are at different stages. How should they be
coordinated?
... the WAI2020 project last year raised questions and what needs to be
addressed
Andrew: John has asked good questions about the details. Each task
force has been asked to provide:
1) Clear statement of requirements for end users
2) Gap analysis - including user agent needs
3) Suggestions for success criteria - (sometimes it is an interpretation
of existing WCAG 2.0 success criteria)
Katie: Technology has changed, there are user needs that were not
addressed. We need to look at this in two pieces - what to do with the
existing Extension work, and a later work that is a major revision of
WCAG that includes UAAG and ATAG.
Judy: WAI2020 was looking 3-5 years from then. We are behind in the
needs of the web. There is an interest in the combo guidelines.
John: The Mobile Accessibility Task Force has proposed Guidelines and
Success Criteria. There are almost ready for prime-time. How do we
publish it?
Kathy: The Task Force began looking at important questions: What is
mobile accessibility? Touch screens, small screens, distractible, etc.
What we found is that mobile needs apply to all technology -- not just
mobile. Laptops have touch and small screens. The boundary between
desktop and mobile is blurred.
... if we can tweak WCAG keyboard success criteria to include touch
issues: for example: No Keyboard Trap could become No Navigation Trap.
... the WCAG definition of Web Content needs updating, because it
precludes hybrid apps.
John: No decisions today or even 30 days
... there are pages on the W3C WCAG wiki:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Main_Page/DesigningWCAG2.next
... we will email the minutes to WAI-IG mailing list
Topic: Possible Models
John: Outlined in detail on the wiki:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_Next_Possible_Models
... WCAG 2.1: Mobile has 4 new Guidelines and 8 or more new success
criteria.
... this is for people who want to go above WCAG 2.0
Scott (Chase): Use simple language!!! Our accessibility success
criteria must be accessible.
John: WCAG 2.1 could be WCAG 2.0 plus the mobile work and make it WCAG
2.1. When the Low Vision Task Force work is done, then we take their
work plus WCAG 2.1 and make it WCAG 2.2.
Scott: I think that is a good way to go forward.
John: The other way to go forward would be to set a milestone date (e.g.
December 31, 2016) and whatever is ready goes into 2.1 or the update for
that year.
Scott: From a standpoint of govt agencies, a regular time frame is
better, but every year is too often. More requirements in fewer change
cycles.
Kathy: Mobile is here today. If we don't put things out, we aren't
giving guidance to the people who are asking for it.
Andrew: Please speak to your experience and your needs, not the theory
of what "government agencies" need.
Katie: Is WCAG 3.0 the end result of all the Task Force work?
Jeanne: I am in favor of releasing by date. We need to set up a
structure for coordinating between the task forces and delivering
results to WCAG WG. The 2.x work needs to be done in the task forces,
so that the WCAG WG can focus their efforts on WCAG 3.0 (or whatever it
will be called).
Wilco: EU perspecitve: Any changes to WCAG 2.0 will be problematic for
EU legislation in progress. The EU legislation is in a hard fight. A
new WCAG 2.1 or WCAG 3.0 could delay the EU legislation even further.
... Segmentation of the Extensions is a problem, but it won't interfere
with legislation
John: Thank you for coming. Talk about it today and encourage people to
go forward.
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