- From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 06:52:32 -0500
- To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- Cc: Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Hi David, Thank you! The diagram s much clearer. I like it a lot. Kindest Regards, Laura On 9/26/15, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote: > PS I added the "Digital Learning" box task force to the diagram. > > http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html > > > Cheers, > > David MacDonald > > > > *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* > > Tel: 613.235.4902 > > LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> > > www.Can-Adapt.com > > > > * Adapting the web to all users* > * Including those with disabilities* > > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy > <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:12 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >> Thanks Laura >> >> It looks good, has advantage of being simpler, and I really like the >> funnel. Perhaps the disadvantage of dividing them is that in practice, >> the >> non-normative and normative work are interrelated, a messy process of >> things emerging as success criteria and other being relegated to >> techniques >> tends to come out of the same work processes rather than separate work >> items. However, the important thing is that we are on the same page and >> understand the proposal... so they are both useful diagrams... thanks for >> jumping in... >> >> Cheers, >> >> David MacDonald >> >> >> >> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >> >> Tel: 613.235.4902 >> >> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >> >> www.Can-Adapt.com >> >> >> >> * Adapting the web to all users* >> * Including those with disabilities* >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy >> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Laura Carlson < >> laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Yes. This is a big improvement. Thanks. >>> >>> The following is a take on simplfying it further by splitting it into >>> 2 flow charts. >>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/extensions/integration.html >>> >>> Kindest Regards, >>> Laura >>> >>> On 9/24/15, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> > I've taken the feedback and created another diagram that may be >>> > clearer. >>> > I've tried to simplify it, particularly reducing the complexity of the >>> > errors. >>> > >>> > >>> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > David MacDonald >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >>> > >>> > Tel: 613.235.4902 >>> > >>> > LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >>> > >>> > www.Can-Adapt.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > * Adapting the web to all users* >>> > * Including those with disabilities* >>> > >>> > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy >>> > policy >>> > <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >>> > >>> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 12:38 PM, David MacDonald < >>> david100@sympatico.ca> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hi Detlev >>> >> >>> >> >>"WCAG Extension" is both the label of the blob in the normative >>> section >>> >> BUT ALSO heads the WCAG extensions to the left (the boxes Mobile, >>> >> Coginitve, Low vision). >>> >> >>> >> The proposal is that the left side is the the individual task force >>> work. >>> >> Any success criteria and guidelines would be gathered up and adjusted >>> for >>> >> redundancies etc, >>> >> >>> >> >>The meaning of the arrows could be that some or all of that stuff >>> feeds >>> >> into a normative extension or that there a relation of sorts between >>> two >>> >> separate things. >>> >> >>> >> Yes, I'm suggesting that the three extensions could be combined into >>> one >>> >> normative extension. >>> >> >>> >> >>>it doesn't tell me clearly if and when I need to meet the >>> >> >>> Extension >>> to >>> >> claim WCAG 2.0 conformance. >>> >> >>> >> WCAG 2 will never change, so the extension circle is not required to >>> meet >>> >> WCAG 2 but if some jurisdiction requires "WCAG2 + Extension", then it >>> >> would >>> >> be required in addition to WCAG. That is why it is in the normative >>> >> box... >>> >> Normative means it will go through a formal acceptance procedure >>> >> which >>> is >>> >> very rigorous. Once something is declared normative it is very hard >>> >> to >>> >> change... that would be any Guidelines and Success Criteria that the >>> task >>> >> forces make, and are approved. >>> >> >>> >> Explanation of Normative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative >>> >> >>> >> The techniques we work up in the task forces will go into the >>> >> "informative" bucket... they are non normative and can be easily >>> changed, >>> >> fixed, or adapted and they can be referenced either by the extension >>> >> or >>> >> the >>> >> core WCAG. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> >>> >> David MacDonald >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >>> >> >>> >> Tel: 613.235.4902 >>> >> >>> >> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >>> >> >>> >> www.Can-Adapt.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> * Adapting the web to all users* >>> >> * Including those with disabilities* >>> >> >>> >> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy >>> >> policy >>> >> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Detlev Fischer < >>> >> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> What I currently find confusing is that "WCAG Extension" is both the >>> >>> label of the blob in the normative section BUT ALSO heads the WCAG >>> >>> extensions to the left (the boxes Mobile, Coginitve, Low vision). >>> >>> The >>> >>> meaning of the arrows could be that some or all of that stuff feeds >>> into >>> >>> a >>> >>> normative extension or that there a relation of sorts between two >>> >>> separate >>> >>> things. The diagram also leaves me uncertain as to the exact status >>> of >>> >>> *the* Extension or the *extensions* - it doesn't tell me clearly if >>> and >>> >>> when I need to meet the Extension to claim WCAG 2.0 conformance. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Detlev Fischer >>> >>> testkreis c/o feld.wald.wiese >>> >>> Thedestr. 2, 22767 Hamburg >>> >>> >>> >>> Mobil +49 (0)1577 170 73 84 >>> >>> Tel +49 (0)40 439 10 68-3 >>> >>> Fax +49 (0)40 439 10 68-5 >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.testkreis.de >>> >>> Beratung, Tests und Schulungen für barrierefreie Websites >>> >>> >>> >>> Laura Carlson schrieb am 24.09.2015 16:33: >>> >>> >>> >>> > Hi David and all, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I think the idea of a flowchart to depicted how separate >>> >>> > extensions >>> >>> > become 1 unified WCAG extension is great. Reminds me of those "How >>> >>> > a >>> >>> > bill becomes a law" diagrams. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I gave the flowchart it's own section on the WCAG 2 Extension >>> >>> > Principles Wiki Page. >>> >>> > https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2_Extension_Principles >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Thanks for your hard work. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Best regards, >>> >>> > Laura >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On 9/24/15, Srinivasu Chakravarthula < >>> >>> srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com> >>> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >> +1 Great work, David. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >From the beginning at least my understanding is that TFs are >>> >>> subgroups of >>> >>> >> WGs. >>> >>> >> Best, >>> >>> >> Srini >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Best regards, >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> *Srinivasu Chakravarthula* >>> >>> >> Sr. Accessibility Consultant, *Deque* <http://deque.com> >>> >>> >> Hand phone: +91 709 380 3855 >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Deque University <http://dequeuniversity.com> | Follow me on >>> Twitter >>> >>> >> <http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu> | Connect on LinkedIn >>> >>> >> <http://linkedin.com/in/srinivasuc> | About Me < >>> >>> http://about.me/srinivasuc> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive digital >>> >>> experience >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:05 PM, josh@interaccess.ie < >>> >>> josh@interaccess.ie> >>> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> Great stuff David! As discussed on the call yesterday - one area >>> >>> >>> that >>> >>> >>> your diagram would need to address is the nexus/delta between >>> >>> >>> related >>> >>> >>> techniques (as outputs from various TFs that cover users in >>> >>> >>> other >>> >>> >>> groups). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At least to indicate that in your document flow would be good as >>> the >>> >>> >>> techniques may not always be exclusively related to the needs of >>> >>> >>> each >>> >>> TFs >>> >>> >>> target user group. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I also think that the Mobile TF, Cognitive TF and Low Vision TF >>> >>> >>> work >>> >>> >>> belongs 'inside' the 'WCAG Extension' Circle, as the TFs are >>> tasked >>> >>> to do >>> >>> >>> this work, and your visual representation indicates that they >>> >>> >>> may >>> be >>> >>> >>> separate. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Good work though :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> >>> From: "David MacDonald" <david100@sympatico.ca> >>> >>> >>> To: "WCAG" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >>> >>> >>> Sent: 23/09/2015 21:14:56 >>> >>> >>> Subject: Diagram of WCAG Extension integration into WCAG >>> (Proposal) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I've created a diagram of how we might integrate the extensions >>> into >>> >>> >>> a >>> >>> >>> single document. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Description: >>> >>> >>> The task forces, Mobile, Cognitive, and Low Vision would develop >>> >>> >>> guidelines, success criteria and techniques separately, and then >>> >>> >>> integrate >>> >>> >>> them to resolve conflicts and overlaps and then integrate them >>> into >>> >>> the >>> >>> >>> singular WCAG extension. The techniques would be collected in a >>> non >>> >>> >>> normative document as techniques for the extension, and some of >>> them >>> >>> can >>> >>> >>> be >>> >>> >>> referenced from WCAG 2 where the techniques might apply to an >>> >>> >>> existing >>> >>> >>> Success criteria. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> David MacDonald >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tel: 613.235.4902 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * Adapting the web to all users* >>> >>> >>> * Including those with disabilities* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy >>> >>> policy >>> >>> >>> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > -- >>> >>> > Laura L. Carlson >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Laura L. Carlson >>> >>> >>> >> > -- Laura L. Carlson
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