- From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:14:33 -0400
- To: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
- Cc: Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAAdDpDbM9Q0mr3kyKaKDGNB66AuD3DA9HsUeYfa2veU+rkGaqw@mail.gmail.com>
PS I added the "Digital Learning" box task force to the diagram. http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html Cheers, David MacDonald *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* Tel: 613.235.4902 LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> www.Can-Adapt.com * Adapting the web to all users* * Including those with disabilities* If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:12 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Thanks Laura > > It looks good, has advantage of being simpler, and I really like the > funnel. Perhaps the disadvantage of dividing them is that in practice, the > non-normative and normative work are interrelated, a messy process of > things emerging as success criteria and other being relegated to techniques > tends to come out of the same work processes rather than separate work > items. However, the important thing is that we are on the same page and > understand the proposal... so they are both useful diagrams... thanks for > jumping in... > > Cheers, > > David MacDonald > > > > *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* > > Tel: 613.235.4902 > > LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> > > www.Can-Adapt.com > > > > * Adapting the web to all users* > * Including those with disabilities* > > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy > <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Laura Carlson < > laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> Yes. This is a big improvement. Thanks. >> >> The following is a take on simplfying it further by splitting it into >> 2 flow charts. >> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/extensions/integration.html >> >> Kindest Regards, >> Laura >> >> On 9/24/15, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> > I've taken the feedback and created another diagram that may be clearer. >> > I've tried to simplify it, particularly reducing the complexity of the >> > errors. >> > >> > >> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > David MacDonald >> > >> > >> > >> > *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >> > >> > Tel: 613.235.4902 >> > >> > LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >> > >> > www.Can-Adapt.com >> > >> > >> > >> > * Adapting the web to all users* >> > * Including those with disabilities* >> > >> > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy >> > <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 12:38 PM, David MacDonald < >> david100@sympatico.ca> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Detlev >> >> >> >> >>"WCAG Extension" is both the label of the blob in the normative >> section >> >> BUT ALSO heads the WCAG extensions to the left (the boxes Mobile, >> >> Coginitve, Low vision). >> >> >> >> The proposal is that the left side is the the individual task force >> work. >> >> Any success criteria and guidelines would be gathered up and adjusted >> for >> >> redundancies etc, >> >> >> >> >>The meaning of the arrows could be that some or all of that stuff >> feeds >> >> into a normative extension or that there a relation of sorts between >> two >> >> separate things. >> >> >> >> Yes, I'm suggesting that the three extensions could be combined into >> one >> >> normative extension. >> >> >> >> >>>it doesn't tell me clearly if and when I need to meet the Extension >> to >> >> claim WCAG 2.0 conformance. >> >> >> >> WCAG 2 will never change, so the extension circle is not required to >> meet >> >> WCAG 2 but if some jurisdiction requires "WCAG2 + Extension", then it >> >> would >> >> be required in addition to WCAG. That is why it is in the normative >> >> box... >> >> Normative means it will go through a formal acceptance procedure which >> is >> >> very rigorous. Once something is declared normative it is very hard to >> >> change... that would be any Guidelines and Success Criteria that the >> task >> >> forces make, and are approved. >> >> >> >> Explanation of Normative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative >> >> >> >> The techniques we work up in the task forces will go into the >> >> "informative" bucket... they are non normative and can be easily >> changed, >> >> fixed, or adapted and they can be referenced either by the extension or >> >> the >> >> core WCAG. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> David MacDonald >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >> >> >> >> Tel: 613.235.4902 >> >> >> >> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >> >> >> >> www.Can-Adapt.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * Adapting the web to all users* >> >> * Including those with disabilities* >> >> >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy >> >> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Detlev Fischer < >> >> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> wrote: >> >> >> >>> What I currently find confusing is that "WCAG Extension" is both the >> >>> label of the blob in the normative section BUT ALSO heads the WCAG >> >>> extensions to the left (the boxes Mobile, Coginitve, Low vision). The >> >>> meaning of the arrows could be that some or all of that stuff feeds >> into >> >>> a >> >>> normative extension or that there a relation of sorts between two >> >>> separate >> >>> things. The diagram also leaves me uncertain as to the exact status >> of >> >>> *the* Extension or the *extensions* - it doesn't tell me clearly if >> and >> >>> when I need to meet the Extension to claim WCAG 2.0 conformance. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Detlev Fischer >> >>> testkreis c/o feld.wald.wiese >> >>> Thedestr. 2, 22767 Hamburg >> >>> >> >>> Mobil +49 (0)1577 170 73 84 >> >>> Tel +49 (0)40 439 10 68-3 >> >>> Fax +49 (0)40 439 10 68-5 >> >>> >> >>> http://www.testkreis.de >> >>> Beratung, Tests und Schulungen für barrierefreie Websites >> >>> >> >>> Laura Carlson schrieb am 24.09.2015 16:33: >> >>> >> >>> > Hi David and all, >> >>> > >> >>> > I think the idea of a flowchart to depicted how separate extensions >> >>> > become 1 unified WCAG extension is great. Reminds me of those "How a >> >>> > bill becomes a law" diagrams. >> >>> > >> >>> > I gave the flowchart it's own section on the WCAG 2 Extension >> >>> > Principles Wiki Page. >> >>> > https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2_Extension_Principles >> >>> > >> >>> > Thanks for your hard work. >> >>> > >> >>> > Best regards, >> >>> > Laura >> >>> > >> >>> > On 9/24/15, Srinivasu Chakravarthula < >> >>> srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> +1 Great work, David. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >From the beginning at least my understanding is that TFs are >> >>> subgroups of >> >>> >> WGs. >> >>> >> Best, >> >>> >> Srini >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Best regards, >> >>> >> >> >>> >> *Srinivasu Chakravarthula* >> >>> >> Sr. Accessibility Consultant, *Deque* <http://deque.com> >> >>> >> Hand phone: +91 709 380 3855 >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Deque University <http://dequeuniversity.com> | Follow me on >> Twitter >> >>> >> <http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu> | Connect on LinkedIn >> >>> >> <http://linkedin.com/in/srinivasuc> | About Me < >> >>> http://about.me/srinivasuc> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive digital >> >>> experience >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:05 PM, josh@interaccess.ie < >> >>> josh@interaccess.ie> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> Great stuff David! As discussed on the call yesterday - one area >> >>> >>> that >> >>> >>> your diagram would need to address is the nexus/delta between >> >>> >>> related >> >>> >>> techniques (as outputs from various TFs that cover users in other >> >>> >>> groups). >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> At least to indicate that in your document flow would be good as >> the >> >>> >>> techniques may not always be exclusively related to the needs of >> >>> >>> each >> >>> TFs >> >>> >>> target user group. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I also think that the Mobile TF, Cognitive TF and Low Vision TF >> >>> >>> work >> >>> >>> belongs 'inside' the 'WCAG Extension' Circle, as the TFs are >> tasked >> >>> to do >> >>> >>> this work, and your visual representation indicates that they may >> be >> >>> >>> separate. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Good work though :-) >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Josh >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >> >>> >>> From: "David MacDonald" <david100@sympatico.ca> >> >>> >>> To: "WCAG" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >> >>> >>> Sent: 23/09/2015 21:14:56 >> >>> >>> Subject: Diagram of WCAG Extension integration into WCAG >> (Proposal) >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I've created a diagram of how we might integrate the extensions >> into >> >>> >>> a >> >>> >>> single document. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Description: >> >>> >>> The task forces, Mobile, Cognitive, and Low Vision would develop >> >>> >>> guidelines, success criteria and techniques separately, and then >> >>> >>> integrate >> >>> >>> them to resolve conflicts and overlaps and then integrate them >> into >> >>> the >> >>> >>> singular WCAG extension. The techniques would be collected in a >> non >> >>> >>> normative document as techniques for the extension, and some of >> them >> >>> can >> >>> >>> be >> >>> >>> referenced from WCAG 2 where the techniques might apply to an >> >>> >>> existing >> >>> >>> Success criteria. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> David MacDonald >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Tel: 613.235.4902 >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> * Adapting the web to all users* >> >>> >>> * Including those with disabilities* >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy >> >>> policy >> >>> >>> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Laura L. Carlson >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> Laura L. Carlson >> >> >> >
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