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Re: Diagram of WCAG Extension integration into WCAG (Proposal)

From: Debra Ruh Global <debra@ruhglobal.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:01:37 -0400
Cc: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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To: Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com>
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> On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> +1
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> From: David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca] 
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:13 AM
> To: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
> Cc: Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: Diagram of WCAG Extension integration into WCAG (Proposal)
>  
> Thanks Laura
> 
> It looks good, has advantage of being simpler, and I really like the funnel. Perhaps the disadvantage of dividing them is that in practice, the non-normative and normative work are interrelated, a messy process of things emerging as success criteria and other being relegated to techniques tends to come out of the same work processes rather than separate work items. However, the important thing is that we are on the same page and understand the proposal... so they are both useful diagrams... thanks for jumping in...
> 
> Cheers,
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> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> Yes. This is a big improvement. Thanks.
> 
> The following is a take on simplfying it further by splitting it into
> 2 flow charts.
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/extensions/integration.html
> 
> Kindest Regards,
> Laura
> 
> On 9/24/15, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > I've taken the feedback and created another diagram that may be clearer.
> > I've tried to simplify it, particularly reducing the complexity of the
> > errors.
> >
> > http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > David MacDonald
> >
> >
> >
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> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 12:38 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Detlev
> >>
> >> >>"WCAG Extension" is both the label of the blob in the normative section
> >> BUT ALSO heads the WCAG extensions to the left (the boxes Mobile,
> >> Coginitve, Low vision).
> >>
> >> The proposal is that the left side is the the individual task force work.
> >> Any success criteria and guidelines would be gathered up and adjusted for
> >> redundancies etc,
> >>
> >> >>The meaning of the arrows could be that some or all of that stuff feeds
> >> into a normative extension or that there a relation of sorts between two
> >> separate things.
> >>
> >> Yes, I'm suggesting that the three extensions could be combined into one
> >> normative extension.
> >>
> >> >>>it doesn't tell me clearly if and when I need to meet the Extension to
> >> claim WCAG 2.0 conformance.
> >>
> >> WCAG 2 will never change, so the extension circle is not required to meet
> >> WCAG 2 but if some jurisdiction requires "WCAG2 + Extension", then it
> >> would
> >> be required in addition to WCAG. That is why it is in the normative
> >> box...
> >> Normative means it will go through a formal acceptance procedure which is
> >> very rigorous. Once something is declared normative it is very hard to
> >> change... that would be any Guidelines and Success Criteria that the task
> >> forces make, and are approved.
> >>
> >> Explanation of Normative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative
> >>
> >> The techniques we work up in the task forces will go into the
> >> "informative" bucket... they are non normative and can be easily changed,
> >> fixed, or adapted and they can be referenced either by the extension or
> >> the
> >> core WCAG.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> David MacDonald
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Detlev Fischer <
> >> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What I currently find confusing is that "WCAG Extension" is both the
> >>> label of the blob in the normative section BUT ALSO heads the WCAG
> >>> extensions to the left (the boxes Mobile, Coginitve, Low vision). The
> >>> meaning of the arrows could be that some or all of that stuff feeds into
> >>> a
> >>> normative extension or that there a relation of sorts between two
> >>> separate
> >>> things.  The diagram also leaves me uncertain as to the exact status of
> >>> *the* Extension or the *extensions* - it doesn't tell me clearly if and
> >>> when I need to meet the Extension to claim WCAG 2.0 conformance.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Detlev Fischer
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> >>> Laura Carlson schrieb am 24.09.2015 16:33:
> >>>
> >>> > Hi David and all,
> >>> >
> >>> > I think the idea of a  flowchart to depicted how separate extensions
> >>> > become 1 unified WCAG extension is great. Reminds me of those "How a
> >>> > bill becomes a law" diagrams.
> >>> >
> >>> > I gave the flowchart it's own section on the WCAG 2 Extension
> >>> > Principles Wiki Page.
> >>> > https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2_Extension_Principles
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks for your hard work.
> >>> >
> >>> > Best regards,
> >>> > Laura
> >>> >
> >>> > On 9/24/15, Srinivasu Chakravarthula <
> >>> srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >> +1 Great work, David.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >From the beginning at least my understanding is that TFs are
> >>> subgroups of
> >>> >> WGs.
> >>> >> Best,
> >>> >> Srini
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Best regards,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> *Srinivasu Chakravarthula*
> >>> >> Sr. Accessibility Consultant, *Deque* <http://deque.com>
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> >>> >>
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> >>> >>
> >>> >> Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive digital
> >>> experience
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:05 PM, josh@interaccess.ie <
> >>> josh@interaccess.ie>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Great stuff David! As discussed on the call yesterday - one area
> >>> >>> that
> >>> >>> your diagram would need to address is the nexus/delta between
> >>> >>> related
> >>> >>> techniques (as outputs from various TFs that cover users in other
> >>> >>> groups).
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> At least to indicate that in your document flow would be good as the
> >>> >>> techniques may not always be exclusively related to the needs of
> >>> >>> each
> >>> TFs
> >>> >>> target user group.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I also think that the Mobile TF, Cognitive TF  and Low Vision TF
> >>> >>> work
> >>> >>> belongs 'inside' the 'WCAG Extension' Circle, as the TFs are tasked
> >>> to do
> >>> >>> this work, and your visual representation indicates that they may be
> >>> >>> separate.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Good work though :-)
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Josh
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------
> >>> >>> From: "David MacDonald" <david100@sympatico.ca>
> >>> >>> To: "WCAG" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> >>> >>> Sent: 23/09/2015 21:14:56
> >>> >>> Subject: Diagram of WCAG Extension integration into WCAG (Proposal)
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I've created a diagram of how we might integrate the extensions into
> >>> >>> a
> >>> >>> single document.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Description:
> >>> >>> The task forces, Mobile, Cognitive, and Low Vision would develop
> >>> >>> guidelines, success criteria and techniques separately, and then
> >>> >>> integrate
> >>> >>> them to resolve conflicts and overlaps and then integrate them into
> >>> the
> >>> >>> singular WCAG extension. The techniques would be collected in a non
> >>> >>> normative document as techniques for the extension, and some of them
> >>> can
> >>> >>> be
> >>> >>> referenced from WCAG 2 where the techniques might apply to an
> >>> >>> existing
> >>> >>> Success criteria.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Cheers,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> David MacDonald
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.*
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Tel:  613.235.4902
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100>
> >>> >>>
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> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Laura L. Carlson
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
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