Re: Re[2]: Absent or null alt on img within figure element

You're right Jon that I'm many use cases for the figure element as been the HTML specs but I'm specifically referencing the case where there is an image with in the figure and the caption is used as it's description

Sailesh. ...Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2015, at 3:49 AM, "josh@interaccess.ie" <josh@interaccess.ie> wrote:
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>>> I am in favor of flagging a violation if alt is absent or is null on an img within a figure.
>> Thoughts?
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>> I agree, we should definitely look into figure and come up with some guidelines around failures and sufficient techniques.
> Sounds reasonable to me.
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> Josh
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>> For example, in most situations a caption is not the same as alternative -- although it could be.  Some figures are not images, e.g. code examples, and others do contain images or represent images.  A figure could also contain multiple images.
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>> Role of presentation could also be used on inner images and role="img" could be applied to figure to further clarify that a figure is indeed an image figure.
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>> Figures also don't necessarily need a figcaption -- but it's not clear if they always need a figcaption or accessible name?  While best practice is to reference the figcaption as the accessible name -- is that required -- it seems like figcaption is already programmatically associated.
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>> Jonathan
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sailesh Panchang [mailto:spanchang02@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:34 PM
>> To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>> Subject: Absent or null alt on img within figure element
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> Is it  okay to omit the alt on an img element inside a figure element and rely on the figcaption to provide the text alternative?
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>> As a screen reader user, I am not in favor of doing away with the alt or even setting a null alt on the img because I do not realize that there is an actual image present; nor can I use image-navigation to quickly move to the image. Nor can I copy / save the image locally if I wished to.
>> The examples within HTML5 specs do use an a non-empty alt for images within a figure which is perfectly fine by me.
>> I am in favor of flagging a violation if alt is absent or is null on an img within a figure.
>> Thoughts?
>> Thanks very much,
>> Sailesh Panchang
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