- From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 18:10:55 -0400
- To: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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typo new=knew Cheers, David MacDonald *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* Tel: 613.235.4902 LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> www.Can-Adapt.com * Adapting the web to all users* * Including those with disabilities* If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 5:54 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote: > PS I think also we need to make it abundantly clear that the WCAG2ICT is > simply a document that examines how WCAG may apply to software and > documents. > > It simply confirms that almost every one of the WCAG Success Criteria > applies to PDF, which makes sense since WCAG was written to apply to PDF. > > Duff is pointing to the small number of comments. I think it is a good > thing that we didn't get much opposition. That means we were successful. > There were 1200 comments on the 2006 draft of WCAG, and in 2008 there was > not one formal objection, not even from those now on the PDF/UA committee, > who new WCAG applied to PDF. > > Cheers, > > David MacDonald > > > > *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* > > Tel: 613.235.4902 > > LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> > > www.Can-Adapt.com > > > > * Adapting the web to all users* > * Including those with disabilities* > > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy > <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> > > On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 5:38 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >> This does not surprise me at all. There is a popular myth starting to to >> hit the rumour mill that WCAG does not cover PDF and therefore PDF/UA is >> the only standard that should be used for PDFs. >> >> I think we need to remember the days back in early 2001-2002 when Adobe >> (the creators of PDF, and owners of PDF at the time) helped convince us >> that WCAG should not apply only to W3C markup languages. Adobe walked with >> us the entire way, with representation as a WCAG editor and Adobe poured >> many resources into the WCAG. They PDF developed techniques and sponsored >> many face to faces, and meals etc... Our PDF techniques have many source >> formats (Word, livecycle, Open Office etc...), and even have PDF code fixes >> for vendors. It was a mamoth effort. It took 8 months for us to test and >> approve them. The OCAD techniques take it further. >> >> Unfortunately, there is a push from some members of the PDF/UA committee >> to introduce paralell requirements to the WCAG for PDF authors in many >> jurisdictions including the Government of Ontario, and the Section 508 I >> think we have to work hard to dispel this myth. >> >> PDF/UA does not introduce anything substantially new, except things that >> were voted down in WCAG such as nested headings. It requires marking as >> artifacts EVERY path, even ones that are ignored by assistive technology, >> In other words, thousands of organizations will be spending millions of >> dollars and thousands of hours trying to fix things that never cause any >> trouble. >> >> WCAG's language of "a mechanism is available..." ensures that as >> assistive technology and browsers get better, that author requirements will >> lessen, and therefore the cost of accessibility will decrease which will be >> an additional incentive for organizations to meet the WCAG. >> >> If PDF/UA is written into law along side the WCAG, it will discourage >> many organizations from using PDF, but in the short term will make those in >> the remediation business very busy as organizations scramble to meet a >> standard that they have to buy, and they will have to learn another >> standard in addition to WCAG and try to figure out all the mappings, >> overlaps etc. >> >> I'm very concerned about this push and I think we have to double our >> education efforts to help jurisdictions understand that the Success >> Criteria were written very carefully to apply to PDF as well as other main >> technologies. >> >> Cheers, >> >> David MacDonald >> >> >> >> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >> >> Tel: 613.235.4902 >> >> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >> >> www.Can-Adapt.com >> >> >> >> * Adapting the web to all users* >> * Including those with disabilities* >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy >> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >> >> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Jonathan Avila < >> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote: >> >>> FYI Passing along this message from Duff on the Interest Group list. >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> -- >>> Jonathan Avila >>> Chief Accessibility Officer >>> SSB BART Group >>> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com >>> >>> 703-637-8957 (o) >>> Follow us: Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | Blog | Newsletter >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Duff Johnson [mailto:duff@duff-johnson.com] >>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 5:31 PM >>> To: WAI Interest Group >>> Subject: WCAG2ICT... where's that "additional guidance" for PDF? >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> It has been asserted in multiple comments on the Section 508 refresh >>> that the “additional information” found in WCAG2ICT “...provides >>> appropriate standards to ensure that PDF documents are accessible…." >>> >>> This surprised me, because I did not recall any such guidance being >>> provided in that document back when it was developed, and I was paying >>> attention at that time. >>> >>> Is this is the same WCAG2ICT document that managed to collect a grand >>> total of 24 messages in its public forum over almost 3 years? Almost all >>> of which were substantive and detailed (if highly critical) comments from >>> myself, the CEO of callas software, Andi Snow-Weaver and Alex Li of >>> Microsoft, Ken Salaets of ITI (!), and others? >>> >>> None of these critiques were ever answered or addressed in the forum: >>> >>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2ict-comments/ >>> >>> Can someone please clarify for me what, precisely, in WCAG2ICT helps >>> ensure PDF documents are accessible? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Duff. >>> >> >> >
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