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RE: LC-2961 - ARIA 7 Example 1

From: Sailesh Panchang <spanchang02@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:49:40 -0700
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To: "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Yes indeed. After H80 became advisory, I have been recommending use of aria-describedby for headings too. And if the sentence and the link are in the same para, one can get additional context if AT supports it.

There's a new technique written for  aria-describedby on links and that's where these examples should go.
  Sailesh

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On Wed, 10/1/14, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote:

 Subject: RE: LC-2961 - ARIA 7 Example 1
 To: "Sailesh Panchang" <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
 Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2014, 12:37 PM
 
 [Sailesh wrote] I suppose
 most VI users too will like to identify the link by the
 linked text and have the contextual text available as  its
 description. Else there will be a disconnect in its identity
 for sighted v/s non-sighted folks.
 I believe
 use of aria-describedby in such a situation is better.
 
 Your point regarding
 aria-describedby is perhaps a better solution -- from what
 you say it sounds like you may be in favor of removing
 example 1.  I suppose my example could have been better. 
 The example from ARIA 7 is actually
 
 <h2 id="headline">Storms hit
 east coast</h2>
 
 <p>Torrential rain and gale force winds
 have struck the east coast, causing flooding in many coastal
 towns.
    <a
 href="news.html"
 aria-labelledby="headline">Read
 more...</a></p>
 
 Does your opinion remain the same for the
 example above?  If so, it sounds like an aria-describedby
 technique might be helpful.  First though we need to
 determine whether we should keep or remove example #1 from
 ARIA 7.  If we choose to remove it, it may be helpful to
 create a 2nd example similar to example 2 that also
 references the text within the link.  
 
 Regarding a new technique, we'd have to
 figure out a testable way to help people understand when
 aria-labelledby should be used versus aria-labelledby for
 indicating link purpose.
 
 Jonathan
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Sailesh Panchang [mailto:sailesh.panchang@deque.com]
 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 12:24
 PM
 To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
 Subject: Re: LC-2961 - ARIA 7 Example 1
 
 Hi Jonathan,
 A
 sighted user can make out the context of the linked text
 'Read more'
 but is unlikely to
 identify the link by the SPAN text id=s1.
 I
 suppose most VI users too will like to identify the link by
 the linked text and have the contextual text available as 
 its description.
 Else there will be a
 disconnect in its identity for sighted v/s non-sighted
 folks.
 I believe use of aria-describedby in
 such a situation is better.
 Thanks,
 Sailesh
 
 
 On 10/1/14, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
 wrote:
 > I ran a quick test of
 aria-labelledby on links and text input with 
 > Microsoft's Speech Recognition on
 Windows 7 and it did not appear to 
 >
 focus the field/activate the link associated with the spoken
 text via 
 > aria-labelledby.  Direct
 voice access was successful when voicing the 
 > link text.
 >
 >     <p><span
 id="s1"> House Hunting</span>
 >        <a
 aria-labelledby="s1" href="http://www.w3.org">Read
 more</a>
 > 
    </p>
 >
 > Jonathan
 >
 
 
Received on Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:52:58 UTC

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