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RE: LC-2961 - ARIA 7 Example 1

From: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 16:37:44 +0000
To: Sailesh Panchang <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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[Sailesh wrote] I suppose most VI users too will like to identify the link by the linked text and have the contextual text available as  its description. Else there will be a disconnect in its identity for sighted v/s non-sighted folks.
I believe use of aria-describedby in such a situation is better.

Your point regarding aria-describedby is perhaps a better solution -- from what you say it sounds like you may be in favor of removing example 1.  I suppose my example could have been better.  The example from ARIA 7 is actually

<h2 id="headline">Storms hit east coast</h2>

<p>Torrential rain and gale force winds have struck the east coast, causing flooding in many coastal towns.
   <a href="news.html" aria-labelledby="headline">Read more...</a></p>

Does your opinion remain the same for the example above?  If so, it sounds like an aria-describedby technique might be helpful.  First though we need to determine whether we should keep or remove example #1 from ARIA 7.  If we choose to remove it, it may be helpful to create a 2nd example similar to example 2 that also references the text within the link.  

Regarding a new technique, we'd have to figure out a testable way to help people understand when aria-labelledby should be used versus aria-labelledby for indicating link purpose.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: Sailesh Panchang [mailto:sailesh.panchang@deque.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 12:24 PM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Re: LC-2961 - ARIA 7 Example 1

Hi Jonathan,
A sighted user can make out the context of the linked text 'Read more'
but is unlikely to identify the link by the SPAN text id=s1.
I suppose most VI users too will like to identify the link by the linked text and have the contextual text available as  its description.
Else there will be a disconnect in its identity for sighted v/s non-sighted folks.
I believe use of aria-describedby in such a situation is better.
Thanks,
Sailesh


On 10/1/14, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote:
> I ran a quick test of aria-labelledby on links and text input with 
> Microsoft's Speech Recognition on Windows 7 and it did not appear to 
> focus the field/activate the link associated with the spoken text via 
> aria-labelledby.  Direct voice access was successful when voicing the 
> link text.
>
>     <p><span id="s1"> House Hunting</span>
>        <a aria-labelledby="s1" href="http://www.w3.org">Read more</a>
>     </p>
>
> Jonathan
>

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