Minutes WCAG 8 July 2014

Thanks for sending the backup copy of IRC. As far as I can tell, the IRC 
content did make it eventually to where it needed to be, it just became 
hard to generate the minutes at the end of the call. I've regenerated 
them and I think everything is there. But let me know if you notice 
missing content.

http://www.w3.org/2014/07/08-wai-wcag-minutes


On 09/07/2014 8:44 AM, Bailey, Bruce wrote:
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> minutes or so, copy/paste from my IRC client.  Micheal, I am hoping 
> you can remediate? I left all my poor spelling in...
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> Joshue: important infomation about techniques
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> MichaelC <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/MichaelC,isnick>
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> RRSAgent <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/RRSAgent,isnick>
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> I have made the request to generate 
> http://www.w3.org/2014/07/08-wai-wcag-minutes.htmlMichaelC
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> Proposal WG make at last meeting two weeks ago
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> MC: adding expanded disclaimer to top of each technique page
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> AWK: reads comments from surveys
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> lgr (from survey): I won't block this but feel that our experience 
> with adding boilerplate of this type to the beginnings of pages and 
> sections is not that people are more likely to read it (they still 
> skip over it), but that they have a harder time finding the 
> information about the technique itself. I'm fine with this wording, 
> but would rather see it replace the paragraph at the bottom,...
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> ...instead of being added at the top.
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> tim boladn: agree with putting a link to explanatory text at the bottom
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> jon_avila <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/jon_avila,isnick>
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> +1
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> bruce: I still prefer having the disclaimer stay at the bottom. We 
> can't make people read, and putting it at the top does not change 
> that. But this a preference, not something I cannot live with.
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> MC: agrees, but thinks EO will not agree
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> LGR: need to decide
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> Joshue: does not like lots of stuff at top
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> David <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/David,isnick>
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> +1 to all our thoughts
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> Wording is good, but leads to text blindness
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> mc: outlines mechanism to resolve
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> mc: needs to coordinate through director (judy)
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> mc: other option is to accept for now, take up next round if we like
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> mc: push back now will delay publication
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> Joshue <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Joshue,isnick>
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> zakim, queue?
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> Zakim <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>
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> I see no one on the speaker queue
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> DM: trying to take back preliminary approval will be awkward
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> Joshue <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Joshue,isnick>
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> +q
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> sees Joshue on the speaker queue
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> awk: reminds us that we already had joint meeting on this
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> mc: we met informally, we did not really object
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> Joshue <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Joshue,isnick>
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> ack me
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> mc: david metaphor cuts both ways
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> it may be harder to retract edit than to retract concensus
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> mc: group needs to decide
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> mc: may be better opportunity to revisit as significant reorganize is 
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> mc: question of net benefit depends who you ask
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> mc: yes, extra text is a burden
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> mc: but EO would probably argue that ommiting text has larger cost
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> joshue: all folks on call made similar comments
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> awk: if we want to keep at bottom, can we defer to judy?
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> mc: doesn't think judy will want to decide, she will want concensus 
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> joshue: pushing back publication more harmful than top of pages being 
> text heavy
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> awk: can we just delay this change rather than delay publication?
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> Zakim <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>
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> -James_Nurthen
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> mc: attempts to publish without this resolved is likely to create 
> work, especially for chairs
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> joshue: comes down to least bad
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> joshue: we all agree with text, concern is if added boiler plate is 
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> mc: is there a net cost?
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> mc: Worked to keep paragraph short. Cost of keeping is low.
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> mc: Cost of fighting is high (delays publication).
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> mc: Could also use added boiler plate as additional motivation to 
> revisit overall formating.
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> joshue: New boiler plate at top seems less disruptive than working on 
> this more.
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> joshue: Seems to be a bit of a patch, need to revisit whole approach 
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> aside to reconfirm that w3 site is having issues...
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> mc: Construction work at MIT !
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> mc: MIT larger IT folks deny there is a problem
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> RESOLUTION: EO proposal for LC-2895 and Updated Technique July 9th 2014
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> the server is slow - systems people working on it
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> Chairs asked to convey WG member concerns.
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> Loretta <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Loretta,isnick>
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> I need to go, Bye!
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> micheal help me close out
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> -Loretta
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> -Joshue
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> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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> -shadi
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> -Kenny
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> -jon_avila
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> -David_MacDonald
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> -Cooper
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> RESOLUTION: Accept EO proposal for LC-2895 and Updated Technique July 
> 9th 2014
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