RE: Agenda for 8th July 2014 WCAG call

RSSagent did not respond to the "make minutes" command after the first one (which we did early when people were having connectivity problems).  Follows is the text stream from IRC for the last 15 minutes or so, copy/paste from my IRC client.  Micheal, I am hoping you can remediate?  I left all my poor spelling in...



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Joshue: important infomation about techniques


MichaelC<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/MichaelC,isnick>

rrsagent, make minutes


RRSAgent<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/RRSAgent,isnick>

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC


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Proposal WG make at last meeting two weeks ago


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MC: adding expanded disclaimer to top of each technique page


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AWK: reads comments from surveys


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lgr (from survey): I won't block this but feel that our experience with adding boilerplate of this type to the beginnings of pages and sections is not that people are more likely to read it (they still skip over it), but that they have a harder time finding the information about the technique itself. I'm fine with this wording, but would rather see it replace the paragraph at the bottom,...


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...instead of being added at the top.


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tim boladn: agree with putting a link to explanatory text at the bottom


jon_avila<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/jon_avila,isnick>

+1


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bruce: I still prefer having the disclaimer stay at the bottom. We can't make people read, and putting it at the top does not change that. But this a preference, not something I cannot live with.


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MC: agrees, but thinks EO will not agree


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LGR: need to decide


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Joshue: does not like lots of stuff at top


David<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/David,isnick>

+1 to all our thoughts


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Wording is good, but leads to text blindness


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mc: outlines mechanism to resolve


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mc: needs to coordinate through director (judy)


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mc: other option is to accept for now, take up next round if we like


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mc: push back now will delay publication


Joshue<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Joshue,isnick>

zakim, queue?


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

I see no one on the speaker queue


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DM: trying to take back preliminary approval will be awkward


Joshue<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Joshue,isnick>

+q


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sees Joshue on the speaker queue


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awk: reminds us that we already had joint meeting on this


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mc: we met informally, we did not really object


Joshue<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Joshue,isnick>

ack me


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sees no one on the speaker queue


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mc: david metaphor cuts both ways


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it may be harder to retract edit than to retract concensus


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mc: group needs to decide


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mc: may be better opportunity to revisit as significant reorganize is anticipated


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mc: question of net benefit depends who you ask


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mc: yes, extra text is a burden


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mc: but EO would probably argue that ommiting text has larger cost


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joshue: all folks on call made similar comments


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awk: if we want to keep at bottom, can we defer to judy?


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mc: doesn't think judy will want to decide, she will want concensus from both groups


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joshue: pushing back publication more harmful than top of pages being text heavy


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awk: can we just delay this change rather than delay publication?


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-James_Nurthen


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-Sailesh_Panchang


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mc: attempts to publish without this resolved is likely to create work, especially for chairs


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joshue: comes down to least bad


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jamesn<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/jamesn,isnick>

have to go


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joshue: we all agree with text, concern is if added boiler plate is net gain


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mc: is there a net cost?


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mc: Worked to keep paragraph short. Cost of keeping is low.


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mc: Cost of fighting is high (delays publication).


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mc: Could also use added boiler plate as additional motivation to revisit overall formating.


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joshue: New boiler plate at top seems less disruptive than working on this more.


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joshue: Seems to be a bit of a patch, need to revisit whole approach of document.


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aside to reconfirm that w3 site is having issues...


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mc: Construction work at MIT !


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mc: MIT larger IT folks deny there is a problem


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RESOLUTION: EO proposal for LC-2895 and Updated Technique July 9th 2014


shadi<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/shadi,isnick>

the server is slow - systems people working on it


bbailey

Chairs asked to convey WG member concerns.


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rss agent, make minutes


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rssagent, make minutes


Loretta<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Loretta,isnick>

I need to go, Bye!


bbailey

micheal help me close out


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-Loretta


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-Joshue


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-Andrew_Kirkpatrick


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-shadi


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Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-Kenny


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-jon_avila


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-Katie_Haritos-Shea


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-David_MacDonald


Zakim<irc://irc.w3.org:6665/Zakim,isnick>

-Cooper


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bbailey

RESOLUTION: Accept EO proposal for LC-2895 and Updated Technique July 9th 2014


bbailey

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