Re: AW: Special Web Page Proposal for W3C site - discussing proper use of WCAG Techniques

Dear Shadi,Gregg all,

I like very much the proposed approach of Gregg, where direct comments could be provided by public.This could give more added value to our work instead of using traditional mailing lists

Kostas Votis

On 16 Feb 2013, at 10:13, Kerstin Probiesch <> wrote:

> Hi Gregg, Shadi, all,
> thanks for starting.
> I agree with Shadi's suggestions.
> One question: I have two comments about the failures. Which is right
> channel: public comments or mailing list?
> Cheers
> Kerstin
>> -----Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Shadi Abou-Zahra []
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2013 09:21
>> An: Gregg Vanderheiden
>> Cc: GLWAI Guidelines WG org; Eval TF
>> Betreff: Re: Special Web Page Proposal for W3C site - discussing proper
>> use of WCAG Techniques
>> Hi Gregg,
>> Thank you very much for getting this started! I think this will be a
>> useful resource in many ways, including for reuse in WCAG-EM.
>> A couple of initial comments:
>> #1. The document does not describe the relationship between techniques
>> and failures to the WCAG2 Success Criteria. There is some wording in
>> Understanding WCAG 2.0 that could be at least referenced to put this
>> resource more in context of the overall WCAG2 framework and resources.
>> #2. The document seems to primarily talk about techniques and failures
>> document by the WCAG WG and does not talk much about the possibility
>> for other techniques and failures. This may reinforce the unfortunate
>> myth that only WCAG WG can document techniques and failures.
>> #3. (Minor) the overall tone seems more preventive and negative rather
>> than inviting. For example, how about something like "The Role of
>> Techniques and Failures in WCAG 2" rather than "Proper Use of WCAG 2.0
>> Techniques and Failures"? I think we need to find the balance between
>> explaining what techniques and failures are, and cautioning potential
>> misuse due to misunderstanding of their intended purpose.
>> Regards,
>>   Shadi
>> On 15.2.2013 00:56, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
>>> We have for some time had a problem with people misunderstanding WCAG
>> 2.0 Techniques and Failures.  Many have thought that the Techniques
>> were required in order to conform to WCAG 2.0.    We have done a number
>> of things to address this -  but not always with success.
>>> A suggestion was made that we create a single page with a simple
>> message that could be pointed to by people wishing to make proper use
>> of the Techniques clear.   It was pointed out that such a page would be
>> useful to many stakeholders and organizations, including the WCAG 2.0
>> Evaluation Taskforce.
>>> Such a page is posted for comments and suggestions at
>>> This page allows you to directly comment on the page.   The page will
>> be edited dynamically, so you can return to the page to see changes.
>> You can also subscribe to the page to have comments and changes sent to
>> you directly as they happen.  (click on the Comments button and select
>> "notification options".)
>>> The options you will find there are
>>> Notification settings
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>>> notifications Notify me of all new comments and replies Notify me of
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>>> Gregg
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>>> Director Trace R&D Center
>>> Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering
>>> University of Wisconsin-Madison Technical Director - Cloud4all
>> Project
>>> - Co-Director, Raising the Floor -
>> International
>>> - and the Global Public Inclusive
>>> Infrastructure Project -
>> --
>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - Activity Lead,
>> W3C/WAI International Program Office Evaluation and Repair Tools
>> Working Group (ERT WG) Research and Development Working Group (RDWG)

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